Tensions are running high in the Newbs':
One of the best analogies I have ever had the pleasure of reading.
Tensions are running high in the Newbs':
The relationship the player has with other members of the team and fans is a lot different when you've been 10 years at the club and is a record holder vs a player that has played half a season in the league.Why should that matter to a new manager if he has no use for the player in question?
unbelievable Jeff!Tensions are running high in the Newbs':
Liverpool did it to Torres, Balotelli, Suarez and Borini under different managers. Juventus did it to Mirko Vucinic. Newcastle did it to Joey Barton, City did it to Tevez and Bellamy, Spurs did it to Adebayor.Is it? I don't think they're cast away from training with the first team etc. And in your Toni example it wasn't reported that the same treatment was given to him in that regard?
My issue isn't so much with Bastian being put up for sale. Its more physically segregating him from the entire squad. I don't think players up for sale undergo that as part of the process.
He obviously has according to the manager. That is what should concern Bastian."To prove himself"? Lmao for what? Europa League? Premier league upper mid table?
Take it easy people. Schweini's got nothing to prove to anyone.
That one came right out of the RAWK school of analogies!Tensions are running high in the Newbs':
Why?Schweinsteiger should be allowed to stay, I don't understand it.
Completely agree. If Mourinho doesn't want him he should accept he's gone.Why?
Surely a manager should have full authority on who to keep or sell .
Every club does that.
Some Bayern fans on here are so condescending. You'd think that 10 years ago there were also not struggling both home and abroad. You'd think they would have the clarity of thought to realize that things change."To prove himself"? Lmao for what? Europa League? Premier league upper mid table?
Take it easy people. Schweini's got nothing to prove to anyone.
He won't play so I'm sure he'll get the message sooner or later.Completely agree. If Mourinho doesn't want him he should accept he's gone.
Don't see why it's an issue. Fully agreed. If a manager tells you that you're not in his plans, I feel the player should accept it and seek a new club. If he says he wants to stay and fight(like Schweinsteiger reportedly has) and the manager's mind remains unchanged, it reflects poorly on Schweinsteiger IMO for him to stay.Completely agree. If Mourinho doesn't want him he should accept he's gone.
@K2K Yup to both of you.Don't see why it's an issue. Fully agreed. If a manager tells you that you're not in his plans, I feel the player should accept it and seek a new club. If he says he wants to stay and fight(like Schweinsteiger reportedly has) and the manager's mind remains unchanged, it reflects poorly on Schweinsteiger IMO for him to stay.
Yeah, and he was one of the worst performers of the team which finished upper mid table"To prove himself"? Lmao for what? Europa League? Premier league upper mid table?
Take it easy people. Schweini's got nothing to prove to anyone.
No it's not common, it's is classless! It's a question of professional courtesy. Bastian is legend as far as football is concerned. And while he doesn't have the right to walk into the new manager's plan, there is no need to send him to the reserves when it's not like him training with first team with overload the first team coaches or disrupt the team's season, neither is he causing any disruption in the dressing room. If this happened at City our fans would be calling City names.The manager says you can leave or not playing any games, Schweinsteiger says I wants to stay. So what Jose can do now? Keeping him without playing him a single game and let him take our 200k per week for doing nothing? There is a reason why Pep prefers Xavi Alonso not Schweinsteiger.
Jose put Schweinsteiger in a transfer list because Jose doesn't see Schweinsteiger in his plan, it means he's not in Jose's first team list so he's training with reserve team now. It's a common treatment that every players always receive in any clubs.
Jose didn't buy Schweinsteiger, but LVG did. Nor a club's legend. So what kind of respect that everyone expect Jose to show? It's not like Jose has to show a responsibility of players that LVG signed. And also the rumour said Schweinsteiger is told by Jose to find a new clubs, we aren't holding him in reserves so it's different situation compare to Valdes.
How is that a classless? Any players in transfer list will not train with first team and has to find their new club. Clubs do that to any players. The fans need to take away their personal feeling and understand if the manager wants to build their own team. You are being biased by saying Schweinsteiger has to walk into Jose's plan based on personal feeling "because Schweinsteiger is a legend in football". Just because he used to be a great player doesn't mean manager isn't allowed to make their own team and plan. I couldn't care less what City does with their players.No it's not common, it's is classless! It's a question of professional courtesy. Bastian is legend as far as football is concerned. And while he doesn't have the right to walk into the new manager's plan, there is no need to send him to the reserves when it's not like him training with first team with overload the first team coaches or disrupt the team's season, neither is he causing any disruption in the dressing room. If this happened at City our fans would be calling City names.
@dichineroHave you considered that including him in training would be detrimental to the squad in terms of cohesion and resources. Why would a company devote resources to an employee it wants out?
But Pep has banished some players to the reserves too. Just this week.No it's not common, it's is classless! It's a question of professional courtesy. Bastian is legend as far as football is concerned. And while he doesn't have the right to walk into the new manager's plan, there is no need to send him to the reserves when it's not like him training with first team with overload the first team coaches or disrupt the team's season, neither is he causing any disruption in the dressing room. If this happened at City our fans would be calling City names.
Well, he could've ended his career in Bayern, maybe playing a lot less but still in decent wages and without a lot of drama around him, instead he decided to join United, a team that wasn't "too hot" at that moment so at least some gratitude should be nice.Let's be honest, BFS is on disgusting wages. He was poor and unfit last season and is well beyond his best. Apparently, most of the other players were pretty pissed off with the special treatment he received last season, as well as his attitude.
From a club perspective, he should be moved on asap. I don't think he has much of anything to offer us. I don't have anything against him, in fact I have huge respect for the career he's had. But we don't owe him anything. The media leaks are pretty distasteful IMO.
We'll know this time next year I guessIt's stupid to compare the Schweinsteiger and Ibrahimovic signings. Ibrahimovic just had one of his best seasons and doesn't have any physical problems
He left Bayern because he could not get into their starting 11 and was deemed to be a surplus by Pep. So, he decided to join United under LvG where he could earn more though contributing less compared to his Bayern days. During his first season at Utd he did not show anything of the good old BFS form, however LVG still tolerated this. In came Mou, saw that Basti is past his best and obviously told him that he is not in the manager's plans. Most of the players under the circumstances would start looking for a new club, however Basti seemingly prefers to see his contract out. It is his right just as it is ours to send him train with U21s. Was not he supposed to be a valuable asset as a mentor? If so, the youngsters need him the most then.Well, he could've ended his career in Bayern, maybe playing a lot less but still in decent wages and without a lot of drama around him, instead he decided to join United, a team that wasn't "too hot" at that moment so at least some gratitude should be nice.
I mean, it's not like his life is ruined and his 200k a week aren't enough compensation, but there's more polite ways to do things. If Scholes left for Madrid being 31 and after a single season Capello sent him to play with Castilla the Caf would go nuts defending him. And rightfully so
Can I get an AmenSome players might think twice before taking United for a ride and just sit there and collect wages.. like they do at clubs like Man City and Chelsea.
Well in that case Rummenigge.. Jose is doing the right thing and you can kindly feck off.
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This is the attitude that stinks. Any player that thinks he's bigger or better than the club AND doesn't perform to expectations should expect to be axed."To prove himself"? Lmao for what? Europa League? Premier league upper mid table?
Take it easy people. Schweini's got nothing to prove to anyone.
Agree, but not just his stars, he's afraid of the Bundesliga getting weaker in general.Regarding the rummeningge, after the muller saga he is just scared of the Premier league money and want to keep hold of his stars.
Totally this, at the end of the day, the consequences of whatever decision made will be on the manager hands. So, he should be the one who make the call.I really hate this. If a player wants to force a move, it's perfectly fine and normal these days. If a club wants to get rid of a high earning player who is not in manager's plans, suddenly there's an outrage. By our own fans as well. Ridiculous.
Thankfully United are not run by idiots (sometimes). He's an ageing player, showing signs he's past it. He has it all to prove, regardless of if he was the bestest midfielder/pig farmer ever or whatever in Germany. You might have had a point if he was at his peak, but he's not even remotely close to that."To prove himself"? Lmao for what? Europa League? Premier league upper mid table?
Take it easy people. Schweini's got nothing to prove to anyone.
I think most reasonable fans are.I'm with Mourinho
Torres, Tevez and Suarez all wanted out and Balotelli and Barton had massive behaviourial issues. Tevez was actually a mixture of both now that I think about it (refusing to be subbed on in the champions league).Liverpool did it to Torres, Balotelli, Suarez and Borini under different managers. Juventus did it to Mirko Vucinic. Newcastle did it to Joey Barton, City did it to Tevez and Bellamy, Spurs did it to Adebayor.
Why should a player up for sale train with the first team? Thats like getting a player from a rival team to train with the team, giving away tactics and secrets. There's no point in it.