Who's saying we shouldn't call him a cnut? Pretty much everyone in this thread says he's an awful, horrible person. The media crucify him, nobody is saying they shouldn't, as you said it comes with the territory.
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Yep I agree, which is why I think he should leave united. He's single now and there is probably going to be stories in the future connecting him trying it on with every waitress in Manchester!!
There are still many that turns a blind eye to the obvious and says what he does with his private lifes has got nothing to do with his job and its nobody's business
I'd say it's got nothing to do with his job per se, he shouldn't be reprimanded by his employer for it in any way. But he'll be hauled over the coals by the media and oppo fans will chant about it. In that sense it's everyone's business.
This will happen for sure. The headlines will never go away. As others said in this thread - he doesn't care what people think about him. He never even apologised to his brother for years, and acted like he was the one that was wronged
Well, I suppose it would do if he started shagging one of his players wives/girlfriends....which is probably a distinct possibility.....!
Yes I'll give you that.
Giggs? Without a detailed write up/knowledge of his past (personal and professional relationships) it's difficult to say with confidence if he is or not.
But I'd guess that he'd score somewhere between 10-20 on the PCL-R. He wouldn't be the first sportsman to be on the psychopathic spectrum.
He's definitely manipulative (the Lee Sharpe anecdote supports that); he cheats for personal gain (sex); lacks empathy (bit obvious, isn't it); poor impulse control (multiple affairs, dalliances); and that's as far as I can go given that I don't actually know the guy.
It'd be interesting to hear from ex colleagues whether he's shallow, glib, etc.
Should never be the manager of our club.
He sounds like a fecking awful human being.
He's probably closer to being a sociopath? Or maybe he's simply not a good human being.
But seriously, I agree it would be fascinating to hear from some unbiased ex colleagues.
It does though. Wasn't glen hoodle got sacked because of his comment about disabled person?
In most company and work there's always a clause about behavior, so if you happen to be an exhibitionist and goes around naked in the office, even if that doesn't effect your job you'll still get sacked.
Not the same thing. Come back with an example of someone who got sacked for cheating on their wife, that would be the precedent.
Not to defend the man but I image he pay for her to go a private hospital . I doubt he actually paid her £500 to have an actual abortion.
@Jazz wr dont need to hear more from anyone. It's not as if this is an allegation, the man has admitted by not rebuking his affair with his inlaw we can assume safely he did that.
It's like suarez all over again with his supporter saying he got a negro grandpa and isnt a racist.
If he's so nice he wont shag his inlaw. There's no if and buts, it's not a simple one night impulsive drunk sex, it's an 8 years well calculated affair. There must have been thousand of lies spouted to cover it up for 8 bloody years. The fact that he hide it up for 8 years means he's got no problem lying to his wife, kids, brother, boss, colleagues, parents, and everyone else.
Where are you going tonite giggsy? He sure aint going to say he's going to bang his inlaw eh?
It's like suarez all over again with his supporter saying he got a negro grandpa and isnt a racist.
If he's so nice he wont shag his inlaw. There's no if and buts, it's not a simple one night impulsive drunk sex, it's an 8 years well calculated affair. There must have been thousand of lies spouted to cover it up for 8 bloody years. The fact that he hide it up for 8 years means he's got no problem lying to his wife, kids, brother, boss, colleagues, parents, and everyone else.
Where are you going tonite giggsy? He sure aint going to say he's going to bang his inlaw eh?
It is on principle, he's sacked because of inapproriate conduct unbecoming.
Am I missing something here? Cheating on his wife is terrible enough as it is but it's the fecking up his own brother that really takes the cake. I mean, bad enough you make mistakes that put your own family life in jeopardy, at least the responsibility is on yourself. But when your own brother did this to you? That's something.
I've posted various times in this thread why that's bollocks, Im not going to repeat myself. If he gets sacked - for this, not something more, for marital infidelity - I'll come back, hold my hands up and admit I was wrong. I'm confident I won't need to do that.
What? It's not black and white.
A 20 year old kid cheated on his wife. The other is a mature man who had an affair with his brother's wife for 8 years, made her abort two pregnancies and also had an affair with another woman.
Not the same in my book.
I think this is the thing people really have a hard time with. I mean plenty of footballers feck around, we know that. But it's the family connection that blows things to a different prospective. I mean, it's not that it is unheard of that is for sure, but what amazes people more than anything, is that this went on for EIGHT years allegedly.
He's more than surviving this. The only thing that matters is the football and I don't hear people talking about it. Not even that big of a scandal.
Yep have to agree with this. This is taking infidelity to a different level.
The difference needs to be defined. If there is an age limit, it needs to be stated. Where is the line? Cheating is OK in your 20s but not in your 30s? Once you have been in the squad for 8 years you are a senior player and have to keep your dick in your pants?
It does, and that's why we all find it so abhorrent. We can all feel it's worse, we can all despise him for it. But the club can't treat it any differently. This is a personal matter. It isn't for the club, his employer, to judge him.
Maybe the fans will taunt him so mercilessly he will quit. Maybe his position will become untenable. But it would have to come from him, even if the club begged him to go it would have to come from him.
A world where employers enforce moral standards is a world I wouldn't want to live in, and I'm sure most people on here wouldn't if they think about it.
I have never suggested what Martial did was ok. I am saying people complaining about Giggs treatment in the press being harsher than martia's should not be surprised.
Oh right, yeah I completely agree if your point is about the media.
While I am not sure where everyone posting in this thread is from, it does seem to have been made a public matter in Europe, and there are those saying he should not be employed by United because of it, though to be fair some are more taking into account that he was involved with his brothers wife for 8 years, the key point being it involved his brothers wife. Others are just bothered by the ongoing cheating.
Well, here's a challenge for all the morally outraged Caf members in this thread - email the club and ask why he hasn't been sacked. See what answer you get.
I wasn't referring to termination of contract. There's no base or precedent for that. Giggs isn't a public office holder.
I know, I'm just being nosey
Unfortunately, I have funny feeling we'll be hearing more awful things about him whether we want to or not.I'm not bothered one bit by Giggs's womanising tbh, even the stuff with his brother. Sure, it's not nice, but it has nothing to do with anyone else but those involved.
It's his involvement with the club, current and future, now that his playing career is over and we are constantly heading for a cliff, that concerns me.
It's his involvement with the club, current and future, now that his playing career is over and we are constantly heading for a cliff, that concerns me.
His wife probably is gonna get the house so that's counterproductive.
Doubt anyone at the club cares, most rich people are cheating scumbags.
Doubt anyone at the club cares, most rich people are cheating scumbags.
in the last few years Rio said something like you never really know what he's thinking and doesn't give much away. Ill say!
He shagged someone at the club's wife. That's a different situation. Nice try tho.
Most of the people asking for his sacking are just using that because they don't want him as a manager, hence the comparison with Mourinho.
Now, like I said people are not open about it in Europe and when something like that happens, generally people will have an opinion, very often a bad opinion but you are not going to see a manhunt like in the US where it seems that the public wants to see the perpetrator show public contrition. I think that the main difference is that in Europe people don't see public figures as role models and we generally don't make them look like angels or great people.
I don't care who he shags. He's not feking my club though.
His personal issues aren't the clubs problem, my boss isn't interested what's happening at my house, so it shouldn't be any different for him. He deserves everything he's getting though, I feel sorry for his wife, mother of his children being made to look pathetic.
Tables have turned now though, she's done the best thing she could ever do, she's entitled half of his wealth and she will no doubt meet someone who respects her the way she deserves.
Tables have turned now though, she's done the best thing she could ever do, she's entitled half of his wealth and she will no doubt meet someone who respects her the way she deserves.
As a person he seems to be an absolute bastard. Wasn't it Fergie and co always kept saying Giggs has what it takes to be manager because he's cold and calculating? If so, it's not just on the football pitch. But to be honest, what he does in his personal life has no impact on mine so as long as our common interest (Manchester United) is doing fine then I don't care. He could shag half of Manchester and (assuming he eventually becomes manager) as long as he's good at the job then I don't care.
May he who is without sin cast the first stone an all that...
Pretty tedious reading all these hatchet jobs on him from anon forum people.
Look through most dressing rooms and you have some pretty morally bankrupt characters. It's the way football is, and is why I try and concentrate on the actual football to be honest.
The only reason he shouldn't get the manager job is because he's ridiculously inexperienced, and probably, though obviously hard to say at this stage, completely unsuited to being a manager (in my opinion)
Pretty tedious reading all these hatchet jobs on him from anon forum people.
Look through most dressing rooms and you have some pretty morally bankrupt characters. It's the way football is, and is why I try and concentrate on the actual football to be honest.
The only reason he shouldn't get the manager job is because he's ridiculously inexperienced, and probably, though obviously hard to say at this stage, completely unsuited to being a manager (in my opinion)