Yes. Hopefully said education also includes the dangers of speculation and tendency to ascribe the unknown to "mental health".
Sancho needs our support
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I don't get why a player who is getting paid 350k week, and only at 22, will need help and to get 3+ months off alone finding his form.
Why can't everyone just be amazing!
I fear that too actually.
I don’t see it being any cover up
It could just be a managerial master stroke. He sees a talented player who is taking his eye off the ball, by doing this he sends a message to the rest of the team that fitness standards are sky high and then brings in one of Englands most talented players for the final third of the season with a bit between his teeth
It could just be a managerial master stroke. He sees a talented player who is taking his eye off the ball, by doing this he sends a message to the rest of the team that fitness standards are sky high and then brings in one of Englands most talented players for the final third of the season with a bit between his teeth
What a boost he could be for the second half of the season.
I'm no "in the know" but I had heard that it maybe addiction issues and it was a way of just getting him out the limelight and getting help before he tested positive or something.
Apparently happens more than people think.
Not saying it is the reason. Just I had heard this
You have seen him play there often?
If it is depression that can take a long time to come out of. Especially when the spotlight is on you.
How do they cover that up? No chance . Press would be all over it.
Edit. Scared that he might fail could be more plausible
Unless his issue is agrophobia, I'm not sure seeing him outside posing with fans gives us any comfort that he will be back smashing it anytime soon.
For his own mental health he's better off coming back to fight for his spot soon. The gossips and speculation might end up killing him.
Neither have I seen Shaw playing CB previously in a 4 defenders setup, yet it now appears he very much can
It's a little worrying how at this point he is still not back. What can it be that's holding a young good player like him out of the team? Is he unfit or just struggling with something personal... We are short in options up front and injuries will pile up also he does better than Martial every time he plays. We need him back asap. Can't afford having good players like him out during this stage of the season!
Shaw proved for us he is a great player. Sancho has not yetNeither have I seen Shaw playing CB previously in a 4 defenders setup, yet it now appears he very much can
If he's unfit why isn't he playing for the reserves to get match sharpness?
Im guessing that he is bulking to play striker. His central goal vs pool was great.
This whole situation is pretty ridiculous.
He's been collecting £350k a week for months now, on top of costing us £70m+ in transfer fees and hes petrified to make a wrong pass??
Whatever demons hes dealing with he really needs to get a grip and realise hes in a better position that 99.5% of world. You're being paid to kick a ball infront of packed stadium full of people who love you. It could be so much worse.
I think Ten Hag has given him more than enough leeway, time to earn your wages.
He's been collecting £350k a week for months now, on top of costing us £70m+ in transfer fees and hes petrified to make a wrong pass??
Whatever demons hes dealing with he really needs to get a grip and realise hes in a better position that 99.5% of world. You're being paid to kick a ball infront of packed stadium full of people who love you. It could be so much worse.
I think Ten Hag has given him more than enough leeway, time to earn your wages.
Was there any official announcement from the club? You can't just take a leave of absence with no explanation.
I mean if the club is OK with it, you absolutely can.
So the way the club deals with this is to do something completely unprecedented (for as long as I’ve watched us, anyway) by sending the player away to train individually, leading to further probing and raising more suspicion? They could have taken the far easier solution and pretended he was injured with constant vague updates.I mean it's not like ETH hasn't addressed the situation so not sure why you'd need some form of official announcement?
I am pretty sure the club has okayed it. Nobody else is owed an explanation,.
Sure, and one has the right to think a person is a knuckledragger to be concerned with the pockets of a person they don't pay. To even state the bolded with a straight face reeks of delusion and entitlement.
Technically or literally you are not the employer. The sponsors aren't the employers either. The employers are those who pay his wages (the club) or those he answers to (the manager). You are not any of these persons.
And what about my entitlement?
Because he is essentially made of the same stuff and fights the same demons we mere mortals do i.e., people who don't earn 350k a week. Your paycheck doesn't erase your humanness. You are still effected by the same things.
Has his mental illness been confirmed yet? Or is it just rumours/speculation?
It's ridiculous adults need to be reminded this.
I live in NYC and I've lost count of the amount of miserable wealthy people I've met, especially those in their 20s and 30s. Mo money, mo problems isn't just a rap lyric.
No it isn't confirmed. I am just speculating because no physical injury was reported. What else can it be?
Exactly. In fact, in some cases having more money can make things worse. You have more to lose.
A bit hard not to be frustrated with the timing. His competition right now is Garnacho and a woefully out of form Antony. When he returns he has to start all over earning his place. As i actually believe he was one of those whose output got capped when we still played for Ronaldo. Get well and come back.
He has my full support but I do think it's getting worrying. I'm concerned for him because we're getting to the point where rumors will only get worse by the day. It's extremely unusual in football for someone to be away for this long due to fitness issues.
Well since its just pure speculation at this point there's no way to ask people going too easy on him - fact is the club has invested nearly 200m on him, and his weekly wage is about the same of what average bloke would earn in a decade - and his has not been doing his job at all, its really hard for people to sympathise him on anything out of pure speculation.
I don't think that's the point here. Of course we need to keep standards high. All I am asking for is for people to treat him in the same way they would have had he been suffering from a physical injury.
Issues about mental illnesses are not shared publicly and for good reason. There is still a taboo about these things since victims are not "manly" enough to "deal with it". So victims shouldn't expect the same support as a physical injury victim because their illness can't be seen or shared?
Yes it is speculation but something must have happened else the club would not agree to let someone who is fully fit train individually. He definitely needed some space to clear up his head. Either he must be going through a tough personal situation or it is a mental health condition.
You weren't just concerned, you told him to shut the feck up basically. It's fine if you disagree, but you have no right to tell anyone whether he has a right to criticize Sancho's pay or not.
And what is "the club" supposed to be? Some magical entity? Dude, I care if technically, literally, figuratively some unknown entity is paying Sancho his wages. I, who have spend money in regards to the club, have a right to criticize him and his contributions to the club. Just as I have the right to criticize the fecking Glazers themselves who own the club. I haven't seen you jumping on their defense as of yet and you can see my posts calling them a bunch of rats? Why is that? They are the owners themselves and apparently we don't have the right to criticize anyone in this club according to you.
Even if he gets over whatever it is he has, how would he get back into the team? On those wages, he’s got to be a starter every game and produce.
With Rashford, Garnacho and Martial, playing as the left forward will be a tough gig, so he’ll have to look to the right forward position.
If Pellistri starts playing well or even Amad comes back from Sunderland next season to deputise for Antony (who I’ll say it’s still too early to judge since he’s barely been here), how can we keep a £350k a week player that’s just a squad option? He’s going to be seen as an easy win to redistribute those wages across 2-3 other players, resulting in the sale of him.
And we seem determined to correct our wage structure so he’ll be one of the players under scrutiny based on those high wages.
With Rashford, Garnacho and Martial, playing as the left forward will be a tough gig, so he’ll have to look to the right forward position.
If Pellistri starts playing well or even Amad comes back from Sunderland next season to deputise for Antony (who I’ll say it’s still too early to judge since he’s barely been here), how can we keep a £350k a week player that’s just a squad option? He’s going to be seen as an easy win to redistribute those wages across 2-3 other players, resulting in the sale of him.
And we seem determined to correct our wage structure so he’ll be one of the players under scrutiny based on those high wages.
Sure, if thats the case, I would show my full sympathy, patience and support on him.
But we can't just assume thats that case out of our pure speculation, can we?
The only known fact here is, he has been out for 3 months for no "official" reason, other than he needs to take his time off to find back his form. This is also likely due to him having been playing poorly this season, followed by having largely shite form last season.
He is one of our most expensive signings to date, and highest paid player in the squad too. Let's just not conveniently shield him from any blame/criticism just based on our pure speculation alone on whats going on behind the scene. Besides, the criticism we have on him is far less severe than that we have on players like Lingard, Pogba, Maguire, Rashford or even Ronaldo over the past 1-2 years or so. As long as he didn't really suffer from any mental condition which needs medication/care, I think he should really try to man up abit and sort it out quickly. Afterall, he was on huge wage and I think he owes the club something.
Could end up being our worst signing ever. Even the really bad ones were available to play
And what was the official statement? Stupid is buying these young players for 80-90m and then as soon as they hit a wall they breakdown. He already had issues at Dortmund - multiple times