the guidelines for schools is within two metres next to someone for 15 minutes
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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I’m not sure dying fits the definition of asymptomatic.
Why would she not be allowed to isolate? Sorry if this sounds like a pedantic question, but I am not too versed in the current UK situation.
With this many people off, if everyone who had come into contacts with the infected people were isolating - the school would close.
Yeah I don't get that. I can't think of many jobs at all where that would be a justifyable approach. In fact I can't think of any.
Surely that means they close the school then?
I mean I think keeping schools open is vital but I wouldn't want to be responsible for a teacher or staff member dying because I told people to come in who I knew were in direct contact ith others while they had covid. Clsing the school for a week or two or limiting students wouldn't ruin anyone's life.
If schools were gonna close if this happened mate, there’d be plenty of closed schools already.
So, two school employees could have sex for ten minutes on property one day, you know, basic mish on a desk. Happens all the time in the movies. One of the participants tests positive for the virus later that day. Under UK guidelines, the other participant is not required to get tested or allowed to get tested? Makes total sense.
We're at the point now where the economic effects/consequences of people being at home instead of in workplaces can't really be hidden or avoided anymore, and as the government has already made clear,, it isn't possible to just prop up millions of jobs with support schemes indefinitely. At this point they have to pick and choose where they want to provide lifelines and in a few month time they wont even be able to do that. That increases the strain on the welfare system and unfortunately that's where this government is going to let people down horribly and create a world of suffering. They didn't even want to give food to poor chldren remember.
A lot of people who have "enjoyed" (idiots) the past 5-6 months are now facing another 6 months of isolation from their workplace, except at a point where the cracks of home working are really going to appear, and will be worsened by the colder weather, lack of daylight hours, job losses, thin wearing patience from employers and colleagues, etc...and unfortunately with the case numbers as they are it's going to swing back very quickly to home working being a safety requirement rather than being a convenience/cost saving. It wont be long as well I think until general socialising will also be curbed significantly.
Said it a coule of months ago and still think it's true but a lot of the people who were enjoying their time since March were being extremely short sited/selfish and not opening up their eyes to what was going on or what they could have been doing to help. This country has too many people in it willing to ignore the bigger picture for marginal self convenience, unfortunately, but I suspect the next 4-6 months wont be very convenient for most people and will be unbearable for many unless the less unfortunate ones start actually looking out for neighbours, colleagues, etc. It's easy to blame the government but you have to remember they are a product of the people who voted for them and a lot of them frankly are as bad.
Infection rate wise I just don't see how we're going to do much to even slow things down when people can still go on nights out and visit each other's homes as normal. Quieter offices and earlier closing hours are really marginal differences compared to the effects of mixing social circles in indoor environments, no extra protective barriers at all for higher risk people, etc. I just don't really understand what we are doing. It will be a couple of weeks at most I reckon before the goalposts have to be moved again, and by that point we'll have been costing people their lives again. I do think it's important to maintain a quality of life but life wont be much fun for anyone if we end up in full lockdown for months in the middle of winter. Most people who suffer with social isolation also aren't exactly in a position where the are able to invite 5 people round their house every day to help keep them company.
I'm feeling quite bleak about it all :/ ...main hope I can see that would make a big difference is if a lot more people really band together to help each other through it this time, rather than ignoring everything outside of their bubble. We'll get trough it either way but things like this will make it so much easier for the people who will find it the hardest.
A lot of people who have "enjoyed" (idiots) the past 5-6 months are now facing another 6 months of isolation from their workplace, except at a point where the cracks of home working are really going to appear, and will be worsened by the colder weather, lack of daylight hours, job losses, thin wearing patience from employers and colleagues, etc...and unfortunately with the case numbers as they are it's going to swing back very quickly to home working being a safety requirement rather than being a convenience/cost saving. It wont be long as well I think until general socialising will also be curbed significantly.
Said it a coule of months ago and still think it's true but a lot of the people who were enjoying their time since March were being extremely short sited/selfish and not opening up their eyes to what was going on or what they could have been doing to help. This country has too many people in it willing to ignore the bigger picture for marginal self convenience, unfortunately, but I suspect the next 4-6 months wont be very convenient for most people and will be unbearable for many unless the less unfortunate ones start actually looking out for neighbours, colleagues, etc. It's easy to blame the government but you have to remember they are a product of the people who voted for them and a lot of them frankly are as bad.
Infection rate wise I just don't see how we're going to do much to even slow things down when people can still go on nights out and visit each other's homes as normal. Quieter offices and earlier closing hours are really marginal differences compared to the effects of mixing social circles in indoor environments, no extra protective barriers at all for higher risk people, etc. I just don't really understand what we are doing. It will be a couple of weeks at most I reckon before the goalposts have to be moved again, and by that point we'll have been costing people their lives again. I do think it's important to maintain a quality of life but life wont be much fun for anyone if we end up in full lockdown for months in the middle of winter. Most people who suffer with social isolation also aren't exactly in a position where the are able to invite 5 people round their house every day to help keep them company.
I'm feeling quite bleak about it all :/ ...main hope I can see that would make a big difference is if a lot more people really band together to help each other through it this time, rather than ignoring everything outside of their bubble. We'll get trough it either way but things like this will make it so much easier for the people who will find it the hardest.
Round here there is one closed and several others have told some classes to stay home for 2 weeks or are teaching some students remotely so they can keep at risk people at home wheh nthey aren't sure its safe.
I think schools need to stay open, but there has to be a line somehwere and there are solutions and work arounds that don't force a potentially very vulnerable to put their life at risk.
Keep in mind that isolation/quarantine is to protect other people from her, if she's deemed a close contact. If she's not viewed as close enough to quarantine now, but she develops any symptoms then she still stays home and orders a test. Daily temperature checks these days should probably be part of her routine there, just in case.
Or she asks the TA to tell the contact tracers that your mum is a close contact and get the generic advice that "same classroom = ok" converted into personalized service.
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Read today that some pubs in England will open at 03.00 to get around the early closing thing.
Close at 22.00, send them home a bit and then welcome them back at 03.00 again
Close at 22.00, send them home a bit and then welcome them back at 03.00 again
Doubt the government will allow that. They'll just set a minimum opening time or something surely.Read today that some pubs in England will open at 03.00 to get around the early closing thing.
Close at 22.00, send them home a bit and then welcome them back at 03.00 again
Read today that some pubs in England will open at 03.00 to get around the early closing thing.
Close at 22.00, send them home a bit and then welcome them back at 03.00 again
The opening times law is 05:00-22:00 so any pubs doing that will be shut down.
Fair enough.
Thanks, seems like a swedish newspaper mixed up pm and am after taking from this article :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-throw-doors-open-3pm-half-price-drinks.html
Sorry to hear that. I assumed they would have been in that level of proximity if they shared a classroom together? Definitely a case to be made for reducing risk?
I think the elephant in the room is the re-opening of schools & universities. Going on nights and out and visiting will pale into insignificance compared to the impact that schools will have on the transmission of the virus. It's a necessary evil as children need some form of normality, but with the increased contact that setting provides, the government need to balance against restricting others. Easier said than done sadly.
Test and trace should have told them to shut with 21 cases! My kid's school closed after 2 cases because one of them was the dinner lady.
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Why are people who have managed to find some level of enjoyment from the last 6 months “idiots”? You do understand that enjoyment hasn’t been had at others expense?
Why are people who have managed to find some level of enjoyment from the last 6 months “idiots”? You do understand that enjoyment hasn’t been had at others expense?
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What do you suggest they should have been doing exactly? I'm in that category, and while I have clearly seen there was an iceberg on the horizon, I'm not part of the crew. There's absolutely nothing people in my position (most of us, really) can do but hope for the best.
Outbreaks like this are mental. Hard to see how schools and universities can continue to run unless classes are held remotely.
Hancock was on TV only yesterday saying infection in schools was “less likely” 
literally everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie!
literally everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie!In Scotland, at the Universities where the outbreaks are, most the classes are still held remotely. That didn't stop the students being told they needed to be physically present for the classes and living in halls.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54292728
It's not that long ago when pubs opened at 5pm or 6pm and closed at 10.30 very day. This open all day thing is not something that's always happened.Read today that some pubs in England will open at 03.00 to get around the early closing thing.
Close at 22.00, send them home a bit and then welcome them back at 03.00 again
The government fecked it up horribly. We are an island, Brexit Britain an independent nation as Boris the clown loves to tell us. We didnt shut down borders and deal aggressively like nz and Australia did? If we had done instead of pandering to conservative instincts we’d be way better off. It makes me emotional to think about (I was stranded on a boat with one other person for 8 months so missed a lot of it), just how many people they have killed and lives they have ruined. And Corbyn would have done no better, he’d probably have blamed the Jews and incited lynch mobs like in the 14th century Black Death.
They can’t expect the social fabric of society to shut down for years yet economic productivity to Remain high. It’s just dumb. And they created it themselves. Yet they continue to treat huge areas of the country like play toys with the “local restrictions “ when its out of control nationally.
Structurally the economy can handle universal income and not expecting everybody to be in a job. This is actually a great opportunity for laying the groundwork, as it’ll happen anyway in 10-20 years. They are too interested in Brexit though and their rich buddies. I’ll likely make over a 400k on the US election, taxable amount zero. Utterly nonsensical. yet I can’t go out anywhere.
edit: apologies for ramble, it’s just horrible.
No doubt they’ll have to carry on paying rent
Why would they cover their rent for them?
Seeing new daily cases topping what was estimated in mid April is pretty sobering, deaths going up now gradually, all ominious.
Will still get the Vallance-Whitty show in early January saying only 8.1% of the population have encounter the disease though.
Will still get the Vallance-Whitty show in early January saying only 8.1% of the population have encounter the disease though.
Apology accepted, we all say pretty dumb stuff on here at times tbh.
Most of the students were encouraged to return to campuses when it was completely predictable that something like this could easily happen.
Now you’ve got thousands of 18 year olds away from home, paying huge amounts of money just to sit in blocks. Reports of police outside blocks and issues like can’t even get food in because they can’t leave the flat, can’t get testing because most can’t drive.
What makes it worse is the fact that most courses are completely online, but some students only found once they’d signed accomadation contracts. They don’t need to be there, they’re rent should be reduced or not taken, or atleast have the option to cut short they’re contract if this carries on
Most universities also don’t have the resources to facilitate a safe way to quarantine or self isolate. Even if students are locked away in dorms, they still can’t provide round the clock care, food or basic necessities.
They weren't forced though? The outbreaks that I've read from universities own statements (both Scotland and UK based unis) have been due to parties within the halls. There needs to be some level of responsibility taken here, and not put back on the university. This pandemic should emphasise that the selfish actions of a few have a compounding effect on the many.
I get your point, but this pandemic wasn't new news when they got their results in August. Personally I would have taken a year out to see what happens before going to university, as it was painfully obvious to anyone that course delivery was going to be very different.. However that is the choice that those individuals decided to take. Rent and tuition are two different things & not mutually exclusive. Tuition for me is a strong argument for a reduction, as to deliver an online course means lower overheads. Accommodation is fair game for full payment.
Exactly, the pandemic was not new. The Universities have had months and months to plan how the next year would look like. They should have communicated this early to the incoming cohort. Then the students would have all the information prior to starting and booking there accommodation. Instead Universities have a vested interest in students moving onto campus so they can go ahead and charge their stupidly high rent. Why have the universities encouraged students onto campus when they can complete their courses online? Atleast until the winter months are o
The responsibility lies with them, they should have safety measures in place, or at the very least plans on how to proceed when this obvious scenario occurs.
But it’s always easier to blame students, I’ve not read about the house parties. But this would’ve regardless of that because students can still go out in groups to bars and pubs and catch it from there too.
There’s so many things that could’ve been done by people in a position to prevent this, but nobody really cares because it’s all about money. Instead they’ll just point the finger at teenagers and put the responsibility on them for this mess.
Its going to be interesting when a vaccine finally arrives as to how it affects people. The early reports have mentioned some have more severe headaches and other side effects when taking the vaccine which makes me wonder if we might see the elderly and at risk being more likely to have that sort of reaction. If that were to be the case I wonder if it will add another layer of complexity to the whole why and when scenario with delivering the vaccine.
Universities have absolutely pulled off a massive scam en masse encouraging/rushing their new students to sign up for halls, knowing full well the courses would be mostly online by default, with the option for almost every course to be fully online. And they did it purely for financial gain since they either own their freshers' accommodation or have big stakes in the companies that provide it.
Students turning up for this semester in brand new cities with no on-site learning, no in-person contact time, student unions basically shut, no night clubs and pubs shut at 10pm. There's gonna be a tsunami of depressed students trapped in their dorms by November.
Students turning up for this semester in brand new cities with no on-site learning, no in-person contact time, student unions basically shut, no night clubs and pubs shut at 10pm. There's gonna be a tsunami of depressed students trapped in their dorms by November.
I also heard that Government would consider not allowing students home for 4 weeks of Xmas holiday if Covid-19 numbers are out of control.
It’s insane. Especially as they could all have stayed home at their parents and received exactly the same level of digital learning.
first time living alone, no mates and feeling homesick and geographically displaced .... and Then getting forced into self isolation in tiny student bedrooms. It is going to cause a whole new set of health and societal issues for a group of people who already Endured a crazy time because of Covid.