A bus to Oldham has just passed my house. Not a single passenger wearing a mask. Cannot understand what is going on in people's heads.Manchester's figures are still rising, though with some reason to believe the trend is slowing again. Targeted testing, particularly in Oldham may account for some of it.
Pretty safe bet that the local restrictions/advice won't be changing this week.
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Might be considered nitpicking/confirmation bias because it is just the opinions of one person, but I found the page where the San Mateo County Health Officer (California, Silicon Valley) posts updates periodically on his thinking and I think they're quite thought out but still simply written opinions of a long-time public health expert: https://www.smchealth.org/coronavirus-health-officer-updates
A passage from the latest one dated yesterday:
Also from one in June about schools:
A passage from the latest one dated yesterday:
Also from one in June about schools:
If you read through all of it a bit more you can notice the evolution of being really alarmed in March/April and trying to transmit the gravity of the situation and need for the population to take precautions, and now that transmission is at a lower rate, trying to still achieve safety but not with 0 risk due to having to balance other needs of the society.
UK - 98 deaths, 871 cases. Admissions still on a downwards trend.
Only 69 patients on ventilation now of the 1,101 currently in hospital.
Only 69 patients on ventilation now of the 1,101 currently in hospital.
So if he felt like he was dying, why didn't he go to the hospital?
There's obviously some overlap between the 'least sick hospitalised' and 'most sick not hospitalised' but as a distinction it's good enough. Otherwise you'd have "hospitalised < 3L O2/min" "hospitalised 3-6L/min" etc etc and the subgroups would become so many that you'd never be able to draw any conclusions from any scientific analysis.
Sounds like Preston is going to have similar restrictions that is currently in Manchester.
I already said that earlier, they came out to him like a scene from E. T and it was at a time that wanted as few people as possible going into hospital. Guess he wasn’t deemed “dying enough”.
Should have seen the state of those lads on Sky News, ain't surprised...
@esmufc07 enjoy.
Does it include the areas surrounding Preston like Chorley or Leyland? It's not exactly clear.
I work for somewhere with two sites. One in Manchester, one in Preston. This week was when the boss decided it was suitable to "encourage" all office based staff to come back in. Sited better mental health and socialising as the reasons.
I don't care about socialising with my colleagues, I don't go to work for the bonhomie. And having to take public transport again is not doing much good for my mental health. I know I'm not alone either.
Not sure, I would expect it impact those areas as well. Chorley's cases were up there with Prestons until recently.
Sounds like an issue with the boss than the scenario. I work just outside of Preston and they've told us not to come back in as there's no more room for staff (we've nearly doubled our operation in head count since covid started).
I honestly wouldn’t mind if 90% of Preston was wiped out with covid. The overall intelligence of the nation would increase I am sure.
It's very depressing looking at the figures climbing up again, after we'd got them so low in many countries. I know it's a balance between resuming normal life and public safety, but even so ....
There should be one message “wear fecking masks. Save lives”.
If EVERYONE would do that, things would be a whole lot better
Kildare, Laois and Offaly, it was nice knowing you
It affects the Preston city council area only, so no, it doesn't affect Chorley or Leyland.
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The Kids Chuck, the simple word you were looking for there was “kids”.
I think the problem is a bit more complex but you're kind of right that there just is no one message. It's just been left to interpret it as you like.
So what people and employers are doing is pretty much just whatever suits them, whether it be to save money or just pick and choose what they do with their day...because it's easy to just dress it up as being all about protecting people from corona virus.
My employer wont let anyone in the office, wont help the public. Won't do anything that costs anything basically. It's because if they keep it up long enough they can save money on office space and save money on just not beothering to do things they would have in the past. It has NOTHING to do with protecting anyone. THey are happy to send 60+ year old men with heart conditions out to serve enforcement notices and work them to a point of them being physically sick. So it's utter bullshit that it is anything remotely to do with people's safety.
My dad I'm convinced will be dead within a year due to the fact he now just sits at home drinking and smoking. He's been inhospital 3 times now since March...but if he kills himself drinking it's fine because he wont have caught covid 19.
There's a special thing on the BBC today about how office environments will change in 5 years because of what's happening now. Lots of stuff about working from home, temperature scanning, space saving, etc. Absolutely feck all about how to address the massive issues such as loss of social and human interaction, the effect on mental wellbeing, the fact our entire fecking economy and ability to learn from and teach each other and generally not become so unproductive we go extinct RELIES on people seeing and interacting with each other. Nothing addressing the fact home based working at the moment is not technology or productivity based at all. Just based on the fact that companies can save money by renting less office space...even though this isn't a particularly proven model since potetnially most of them will not be able to train or retain skilled staff effectively by having them all sitting at home becoming miserable and detached.
Honestly I think people have gone completely mad.
You’ve taken a very extreme stance on home working, presumably based on your own experience. I’m one of many people I know who much prefers working from home. No more commuting and more time spent with my family has improved my work life balance a lot and I don’t miss the social element of my job in the slightest. But personal preference isn’t the issue here. Bearing in mind that covid will come and go but climate change is here to stay, a dramatic shift away from millions of people clogging roads and trains to commute to and from their offices every day is clearly a good thing for humanity as a whole. In fact, it’s the only good thing to come out of this pandemic.
It won’t be for everyone. Or suit every business. But you shouldn’t be so defensive about the status quo because you personally (or your fellow employees) have had a bad experience with the office being closed.
I don’t think this is the end of working in offices but I do think a lot less people will be clocking in and out of 9 to 5 offices based jobs, seven days a week. Flexibility will be the way forward. And I think this is a good thing.
Our kids' primary school has released their Review to "put parent's minds at ease" before they go back next Wednesday. The broad strokes;
- Masks are mandatory for staff, not students.
- NO distancing measures being put in place for students. You can run around the playgrounds at break and lunch times and grab as many people from different classes as you want!
- antibacterial gels are not going to be available for use, just soap for washing your hands.
- no one way system put in place across the estate.
- no staggered starts or ends to the day.
- children must go into the playground at the start of the day, and will fill out into the playground at the end.
- don't like how poor our prepping is? Tough shit. They have to attend otherwise they'll be marked down, and there's feck all in the way of remote learning (they used the term blended learning because they haven't got a fecking clue).
Meanwhile my work has gel dispensers at every single door, a one way system with entrances and exits sign posted, twice as many classes with halved numbers and hours for each.
The problem is that the primary schools frankly haven't got a clue what to do because they're taking their advice from the local council, which I'd argue is the most corrupt and dumb as shit council in Scotland. If we had to listen to them then we'd be fecked as well.
Tha-that's all, folks!
- Masks are mandatory for staff, not students.
- NO distancing measures being put in place for students. You can run around the playgrounds at break and lunch times and grab as many people from different classes as you want!
- antibacterial gels are not going to be available for use, just soap for washing your hands.
- no one way system put in place across the estate.
- no staggered starts or ends to the day.
- children must go into the playground at the start of the day, and will fill out into the playground at the end.
- don't like how poor our prepping is? Tough shit. They have to attend otherwise they'll be marked down, and there's feck all in the way of remote learning (they used the term blended learning because they haven't got a fecking clue).
Meanwhile my work has gel dispensers at every single door, a one way system with entrances and exits sign posted, twice as many classes with halved numbers and hours for each.
The problem is that the primary schools frankly haven't got a clue what to do because they're taking their advice from the local council, which I'd argue is the most corrupt and dumb as shit council in Scotland. If we had to listen to them then we'd be fecked as well.
Tha-that's all, folks!
Hand washing has been proven a much better solution than alcohol gels, so I don't get why you seem to portray this as a negative thing? Hand sanitisers don't eliminate all types of germs, where as hand washing (with soap and water) does.
By all means, say the schools haven't got a clue, but don't portray a position of wisdom when you see alcohol gel as a the better combatant over soap and water.
Without wanting to get into personal stuff, does your dad having serious drinking problems relate to coronavirus? I don’t think anyone would think that situation is fine, but surely the usual support services are still available for him?
It also sounds like you aren’t happy with your work place in general. Companies are generally trying to save money to survive at the moment.
You keep mentioning lack of social interaction causing harm on posts in this thread, but apart from small local lock downs, there isn’t restrictions on visiting people. Who are the people most affected in your opinion?
As I said in the other thread with your mini tirade/incoherent rant. It sounds like you work for, and with, a bunch of clowns. The situation of working from home is fine, and reported in a huge number of cases a better solution than what we had before the pandemic. It sounds like you need you to address your job, rather than the situation of working elsewhere other than your office.
Wholeheartedly agree. I recall the first two weeks of lockdown with minimal cars on the road, and the benefits of the air quality was hugely noticeable. It'll start to improve communities no end as the need for the resources moves closer to homes, rather than the larger cities. The biggest benefit, personally, I've seen from this pandemic for sure.
Sure soap and water is better than sanitiser... when you're near a sink. 300 kids to about, what, ten sinks at the other end of the building. Can't see a lot of them getting through Happy Birthday twice, can you?
Don't know where I said sanitiser was better than hand washing anyway, but ok.
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Alcohol gel is still an inferior practice to hand washing. 300 kids to a class just doesn't happen. Stop the sensationalism.
Oh ffs. 300 students in the building and you know well enough that is the point I was making. I never said sanitiser was better than hand washing in the first place so knock it off. You're looking for an argument so badly that you're making shite up to fit your narrative. Away with you.
You implied that soap was an inferior product as anti bacterial gels are not going to be available, only soap (your words). You (a scout - says it all) write the narrative with the drivel you post, come back with something constructive or just stop with the sensationalism.
Ok. Show me where I implied it was inferior? And don't just point to your inability to comprehend my post to the point where you're so ingrained in your defiance to admit you're wrong that you're still trying to argue an absolutely blind point.
I posted.
"antibacterial gels are not going to be available for use, just soap for washing your hands."
Nowhere in that sentence do I say, or even imply that hand washing is inferior. I did imply, however, that they only give students the option to wash their hands at one of their designated sinks. Which, just so you know, are in their toilets and that's it. If anything I'm implying that using hand sanitiser is better than not using anything at all because these kids aren't going to be trekking to the bogs all the time to just wash their hands
You're a bit like me, a right peen arse* when something triggers you. That's good. It's vibrant. But are you really going to be so damn petty over a minor point because you misunderstood what I posted?
*This is not me insulting the poster, rather me insulting the way some of us get when emotions are heightened.
I hate repeating the original post, but I've highlighted it for you (implication on the second line if you need it highlighting). If you're struggling to understand your own posts, then god knows how you're managing to qualify people for this forum.
Will you get fined if your child doesn’t attend?
We’ve got another month before our 6 year old goes back, but we are not happy about it at all.
Again, you've misinterpreted what I said. I've informed you of that. Emotions are heightened. I like you as a poster, would probably even buy you a pint in real life. But we're both arguing like little twats.
You want to know what makes me qualified to be a Scout? I do a shit hot awards show. But I also know when it's good to just take a deep breath and move on. So I won't post in this thread again and find some other one to go into.
So far all they've said is they won't be providing any remote learning materials for any kids who don't come back. Nothing about fines but it'll be marked as a failure to attend. They say they're open to suggestions but how do you tell an underfunded, understaffed, overcrowded school to "do better"?
One of the possible predicted downsides to lockdown was the possibility of increased levels of suicide. Down here in NZ there has been a report mentioning a small reduction in suicide numbers during the lockdown. One of the things we saw here during our lockdown was an increased sense of community. I am wondering if that increased sense of community and the time spent as closer nit family units may have had some small positive impact on the suicide numbers. It may be unique to where we are down here and the general mood of the country so Im not saying it will be the same elsewhere. Also its just me wondering aloud and not based on any scientific study or fact etc. Are other parts of the world seeing any sort of closer community connections evolving during this crisis?
One of many other reasons is correlation confused for causation. My autistic kid had a vaccine therefore vaccines cause autism.
https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
Office space is leased in years at a time. No company will be saving money by asking people to wfh in the short-term.
My employer might be able to because we own the building so we could lease more floors out - if anyone wanted them of course.
You guys had like a 5 week lockdown before you went to stage 2, and you had good news at the end if it.
I’d imagine it might be a similar story for the likes of Finland, Denmark & Norway that also had a short one.
Some in longer harder lockdowns might find the big positives in community spirit etc but plenty of studies have also shown the problem with isolation during this pandemic, the huge increases in calls to childline, the increase in domestic abuse etc.
There are lots of negatives but not as negative as people dieing who don't need to. Lockdown and stay locked down until eradication should have been everyone's tactic from a month earlier than anyone started. Then you don't need to do it again.
Our lockdown was one of the strictest around but we did get very lucky with exceptionally nice Autumn weather for its entirety and that meant everyone over the entire country was able to get out everyday for a walk etc in sunshine etc and that was probably another big factor in it being more palatable than other countries have had to deal with.