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SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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FFS. You get your facts from research from a pro Russian and conspiracy theory web site? Their main claim to fame is all 5 owners are banned from commenting on Guardian articles. No tests confuse a coronavirus for a rhinovirus or for the influenza virus. It is utterly ludicrous to think they could.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/
I'm thread banning you and giving you a warning. When you get back from your temporary ban one more bit of conspiracy theory silliness, particularly on such an important and serious subject and the ban will be made permanent.
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I took the time to read this article. It is pseudoscience, written by people who presumably want to sell their book.
Everything in the article is factually inaccurate, and they cherry-pick quotes from a series of scientists then offer them up completely out of context to try and back up their hypothesis. The core of which seems to be that months into the pandemic scientists still haven't conclusively shown that SARS-CoV2 causes COVID-19, based on the idea that nobody has isolated and purified the virus. They allude to the fact nobody has done this is a worldwide coverup by scientists and medical professionals, for mysterious reasons.
This is patently untrue, there are numerous studies documenting isolation of the virus from samples of sick patients, some with EM images, so you can literally see a picture of it if you need to. I'm not sure why these people are so obsessed with purifying the virus, there is absolutely no need to do that in order to demonstrate that it causes disease. We can determine the genome sequence of the virus with or without isolating it from patient samples and compare it to genomic sequences of all other coronaviruses. This is known as genomics, which has revolutionised microbiology over the past 20 years or so. This also allows us to design diagnostic tests specific for regions of the genome that are unique to SARS-CoV2. These tests are then validated against a panel of respiratory viruses to ensure the they are specific for SARS-CoV2.
If a scientist discovered that all of the RTqPCR tests being used for diagnosing COVID-19 were seriously flawed, they could do experiments to demonstrate it (such as showing cross-reactivity against the panel of viruses I mention above), write it up, then publish a dogma smashing paper that would massively further their career, making them a scientific superstar. If I could do that I would! But the fact is that these diagnostic tests are specific.
I would suggest in the future you apply the same amount of skepticism to random internet articles that you seem to currently reserve for medical science performed by healthcare professionals.
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If ever a post needed a like button!
Wait, so someone thought the comments that got them banned from The Guardian's comment section were so profound they needed their own domain? Jeez.
absurdWTF!!!
Updated CDC guidelines now say people exposed to coronavirus may not need to be tested
In a shift that perplexed some doctors, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has changed its Covid-19 testing guidelines to say some people without symptoms may not need to be tested, even if they've been in close contact with someone known to have the virus.
Previously, the CDC said viral testing was appropriate for people with recent or suspected exposure, even if they were asymptomatic.
CDC now says people without symptoms who have been exposed to COVID-19 don't need to get tested
The ol' the less you test, the fewer cases you have.
Updated CDC guidelines now say people exposed to coronavirus may not need to be tested
In a shift that perplexed some doctors, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has changed its Covid-19 testing guidelines to say some people without symptoms may not need to be tested, even if they've been in close contact with someone known to have the virus.
Previously, the CDC said viral testing was appropriate for people with recent or suspected exposure, even if they were asymptomatic.
CDC now says people without symptoms who have been exposed to COVID-19 don't need to get tested
The ol' the less you test, the fewer cases you have.
Returning from overseas or out of state? The CDC removes its 14-day quarantine recommendation
Travelers returning from a trip outside the country or their state no longer face recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to self-quarantine for 14 days upon return.
The CDC updated its travel requirements online Friday, advising travelers to "follow state, territorial, tribal and local recommendations or requirements after travel." Previous guidelines recommended a 14-day quarantine for those returning from international destinations or areas with a high concentration of coronavirus cases.
Though it still notes that those exposed to the coronavirus pose a risk of infecting others for 14 days, the CDC's page on traveling amid the pandemic recommends that travelers, "regardless of where you traveled or what you did during your trip," follow social distancing guidelines indoors and outdoors, wear a mask outside the home, wash hands often and look out for COVID-19 symptoms upon their return home.
Travelers returning from a trip outside the country or their state no longer face recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to self-quarantine for 14 days upon return.
The CDC updated its travel requirements online Friday, advising travelers to "follow state, territorial, tribal and local recommendations or requirements after travel." Previous guidelines recommended a 14-day quarantine for those returning from international destinations or areas with a high concentration of coronavirus cases.
Though it still notes that those exposed to the coronavirus pose a risk of infecting others for 14 days, the CDC's page on traveling amid the pandemic recommends that travelers, "regardless of where you traveled or what you did during your trip," follow social distancing guidelines indoors and outdoors, wear a mask outside the home, wash hands often and look out for COVID-19 symptoms upon their return home.
Irish folk, be prepared for a 120 case bump in Donegal.
Its being kept secret so people arent shamed into not getting tested but a group of Romanians ran a car wash up here. I say car wash, its a brothel.
120 dirty feckers have caught it
Its being kept secret so people arent shamed into not getting tested but a group of Romanians ran a car wash up here. I say car wash, its a brothel.
120 dirty feckers have caught it
I've heard this alright, is it legit or one of these silly whatsapp rumours?
Its true. A doctor made a facebook post about how there was a massive cluster and asked why arent we being told?
Its leaked out since. An arrest was made last Friday.
Excellent post.
What I can never figure out from his particular take on it - I've come across it elsewhere a lot, so we've done well to make it till yesterday without some plonker bringing it up - is why governments would want loads of false positive cases and wrongly attributed deaths? They'd be happier with the exact opposite of that, wouldn't they?
Escort Ireland up and running like there is no pandemic.
I think the conspiracy idea is that all governments are making the situation look worse so they can scare us and loan money from central banks without questions, causing tax hikes, inflation etc etc, and give huge Covid related contracts to “pals” to enrich them even more with public funds.
The idea in that scenario is that the super rich are behind it. Bat shit crazy like.
Can any of our Irish guys give me a quick update on hiw things work down there atm?
Thinking of going to westport for 3 nights next week.
@Pogue Mahone
Thinking of going to westport for 3 nights next week.
@Pogue Mahone
you’re probably safer in the north
Is it that bad down there?
Avoid Dubs and midlanders, pubs close at 11, you get just under 2 hours in a pub and you must have a meal while there.
Seems alright. It isnt a piss up with the mates. Just a break with the wife.
Fancied westport because it seems like there is a lot of outdoorsy stuff to do this minimising risk
Any idea of how contagious a person would be in this case? I mean it would be nice for someone to feel immune and thus act like the virus doesn’t exist - but if they do contract it a second time and are asymptomatic, but are still as contagious as they were the first time, then it wouldn’t do much would it? Basically the person would still have to stay at home and self-isolate, I admit not feeling like shit while doing that is quite a nice thing but it’s not like they’d be able to go around like they’re immune. What are your thoughts?
UK 12 deaths and 1522 cases
Another jump, highest since June. It's said to be increased testing again. We had around 1400 a while back but then it fell back to around 1000, so we'll see if that happens.
Another jump, highest since June. It's said to be increased testing again. We had around 1400 a while back but then it fell back to around 1000, so we'll see if that happens.
2 friends of mine (colleagues from my previous work) have got tested positive (one today, the other a week ago). Both very mild, just fatigue and a bit of throat pain, but that's it.
Well yeah, the more you the test, the better you test, the more you find. That tends to be how this works.
To put in context last week total was 6600 cases and this week is 6100 so high single digits drop on cases this week.
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Interesting table from Ireland showing lag between increase in cases and increase in hospitalisations. Absolute numbers still small but you can see the trend. You need information like this to properly interpret case numbers.
Something else that occurs to me is how the whole country is on tenterhooks about a disease that has just 23 people (out of 5 million) in hospital. That and how badly it ran away with us at its peak. 8 people being admitted to ICU every day.
So swings and roundabouts really.
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I read the first few comments and they included 'looks stable', 'looking good', and 'it's over'.
If people taking the trouble to read the stats think this then it's hard to be optimistic.
It also shows just how rampant it was in February/March before any lockdowns and/or restrictions.
People on twitter can be amazingly dumb. Loads of different echo chambers though. That’s a tweet from a mainstream journalist. The replies to tweets from not very well known scientists/doctors are usually extremely smart/perceptive.
Yup. And how effective lockdown was at getting it under control. Scary to think where we would have ended up if life continued as normal throughout April and May. I guess that’s the reason for caution now. How we could end up in that situation again.
I think life since lockdown and life the entire time here has shown that just the very knowledge of it being “there” and good hygiene, social distancing, staying home when sick etc, can do a lot to keep it at a steady level though. But long term vigilance will be key.
I saw a report today that the think the UK likely had 100,000 cases a day in March.
It certainly shows that this thing was at it’s most dangerous when it was silently working it’s way through societies.
Yeah, agreed. Even the countries most opened up right now are miles away from the behaviour we were used to, pre-covid. I wonder if we’ll ever get back to that.
I hope the hygiene stays, and my God can we please never go back to people leaving snotty kids at schools, or worst of all, people thinking it’s a sign of a “good worker“ to go into the workplace even when they’re ill.
Hopefully elderly care in most countries should come out the better for it, and I wish health workers everywhere would get paid a shed load more, but sadly I think the last one is the most pie in the sky of all.
A lot of people think good hygiene is just wash hands and forget the body has to be washed every day...
I'd guess a year after mass vaccination the vast majority of people will be largely back to normal.
It would be nice to see people wearing masks when they had a cold though as is already a fairly common practice in some parts of Asia. It would also be good if going to work or school with a cold or flu becomes taboo and mass (preferably semi-compulsory) vaccinations were the norm for covid, flu, genital warts (cervical cancer), chickenpox etc etc
I'll be interested to see if attitudes to working from home change permanently. I don't want to go back. 1 day a week maybe and I only live a pleasant 15 minute cycle from work?
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It wasn't a lockdown as the tweet implies, but measures are being eased in at least one Greater Manchester borough. More announcements expected today.
Labour-led Trafford council wanted the restrictions to remain in place, but overruled by the government.
You wash your body every day? That’s actually not good for you.
I shower every morning and sometimes at night... never hurt me.
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How on earth is a daily shower not good for you? Because I can confirm that people who don’t take a daily shower are not good for the poor bastards squeezed up against them on their daily commute (avoiding stinky gits would be one of my pandemic upsides)
you're trolling right?
You’re kidding me right, especially @Pogue Mahone? It’s well known that showering every day strips natural oils and natural bacteria from the skin and can even cause skin problems.
Educate yourselves for God’s sake, stop wasting so much water and stop stripping your skin.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/showering-daily-is-it-necessary-2019062617193
https://www.healthline.com/health/beauty-skin-care/how-often-should-you-shower
https://www.considerable.com/health/healthy-living/shower-health/