Well said.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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I had a chat with the better half about this, she is a paediatrician. She told me they had a measles outbreak in a nursery last year as you get the vaccination when you are one and one of the unvaccinated child came with it in one of the older years. They had 7 cases last December.
Ah. Ok. I misread it. Still huge numbers if extrapolated to the general population. They’re studying cancer patients so maybe just in the hospitals back then?
Great stuff. Well done and thank you!
Possibly. These were blood tests from cancer patients in the country's main cancer research hospital, so probably sicker/more immuno-compromised than your average patient too.
Still, whether it was here in November/December (which we know for certain) or September, it raises the question of why it bubbled away for months unnoticed, but within weeks of the first detected case we were seeing overrun hospitals and a thousand deaths a day.
The simplest explanation is that it didn’t. I wouldn’t read too much into that paper.
The DM is expanding it's totally irresponsible campaign for family to be allowed to family to visit relatives in care homes over Christmas, regardless of the risks to their health and the other residents.
EDIT: The start of the campaign last week.
EDIT: The start of the campaign last week.
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Yeah I was an ass. Don’t drink and type kids. Got a little fast and loose on the ol’ angry juice
Thematically I stand by it. But it was way too aggressive.
Good luck. Hope you get the good stuff!
I've no doubt it's predominantly crazies, but they are attracting a few converts among NHS workers, people who might actually influence others.
Coronavirus: NHS staff join anti-vax group
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-nhs-staff-flock-to-anti-vax-group-k8sq7q63w
Modena vaccine with almost 95% effectiveness. Is it time to get excited?
Here we go?
The people that follow this will be the same people that would have voted for Kanye in the US elections. Always gets media headlines, but never normally enough to affect anything.
Definitely light at the end of the tunnel. I think we’re in for a rough couple of months regardless but once we get through it hopefully we can start looking at getting on with our lives.
Hopefully, albeit slightly alarming a number of medical professionals actually seem to be signing up for this nonsense. Not actually seen any interviews with Kanye voters - I bet they were even more silent than the silent Trump supporters.
I'd put the medical professionals and GPs in the same boat as the gays for trump group. Found a niche they can exploit rather than anything else.
* thought I'd point out now that gays for trump is the term they use, before someone shouts at me for not being politically correct.
Maybe. It does get harder and harder to be surprised by humanity's capacity for idiocy.
FT on the Moderna trial
https://www.ft.com/content/9d7a2e24-aea0-4c45-82ab-509dc80ed5a1
Cocks out?
Moderna's vaccine appears to be easier to store as it remains stable at minus 20C for up to six months and can be kept in a standard fridge for up to a month.
that's a nice additional bonus
that's a nice additional bonus
Whatever floats your boat. I prefer my arm.
The other good thing about Moderna results is that there were zero serious cases in vaccinated arm (Pfizer press release didn’t give any info on severity)
The big issues we still need to know are:
a) duration of protection (will be months/years before this becomes clear)
b) are the vaccines preventing infection or just preventing illness (we’ve no idea about this yet, for either vaccine)
The big issues we still need to know are:
a) duration of protection (will be months/years before this becomes clear)
b) are the vaccines preventing infection or just preventing illness (we’ve no idea about this yet, for either vaccine)
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I have a feeling that b won’t be binary. I’ll be surprised if the vaccine has no effect on transmission whatsoever.
Yet again the long covid group has been ignored. They are suffering because their bodies are severely overreacting to this virus for months on end. Due to this, almost wilful, oversight all these vaccines could add a much larger minority into this suffering group by next year.
Good news for the US. and EU Member states. Not so much for the UK as we don’t have any of this one on order.
No. They will do the opposite of that.
Let's hope so, is there any medical data to back this up? Genuine question.
A vaccine causing side effects similar to long-covid would be captured in the phase 3 safety data. Also a vaccine is not the virus, we still don’t understand the underlying cause of long-COVID. Are there recorded instances of vaccines causing ME/CFS? Not that long-COVID is necessarily the same.
Yeah, definitely. I heard one of the BioNTech guys saying that he predicts 50% efficacy at reducing transmission for their vaccine. Which would be decent but probably rules out viral eradication as a realistic goal.
Fewer people catching covid = fewer people suffering from long covid. The vaccine will result in fewer people catching covid. It’s already done this in the trial we’re discussing today.
Global eradication is a long term project anyway. Don’t need a sterilising vaccine in the first wave.
Looking forward to the Oxford results now. Hopefully also encouraging, as from a selfish point of view the UK and Aus really need that one to work.
When are we likely going to hear about the Oxford results?
Their trial started at a similar time to Pfizer and Moderna. It was paused for a bit. I’m going to say in the next 4 weeks, maybe sooner.
Moderna’s news is the real gamechanger. The storage temperatures means it will fit in logistically within existing primary care network and other vaccine delivery systems.
Massive game changer as it sounds like it can even work for villages in hot climate countries, so will help places like Mexico, India or Africa.
If their results are robust, it’s perhaps more useful than the Pzier one.
Anyone know what the Zeneca/Oxford storage specs are?
When are those results for the novavax due to be published?
thanks for your participation to help us all!
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These are good questions. Not sure if any vaccine trials had any assumptions, considerations or entry/exit criteria for long covid (not the same as CFS as you say). Why? Because it's so new or just not worth considering right now. That's why I was wondering if there was any medical data that long covid was considered. I'm not finding anything with Google.
We don't know what triggers long covid. Could be a heavy dose from a sufferer passing it on, or a very minute RNA in a vaccine, for example.
Well the important first step is getting infected with SARS-COV-2. Which these vaccines will (almost certainly) make less likely. So I’m not seeing what your problem with them is.