SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Whatever the infection rates they would be even worse without masks. They protect you a bit from getting infected and if you have covid they significantly reduce your ability to pass it on., but like most individual measures they aren't a silver bullet.
I can’t wait for this to end just to never have to wear a mask for 10 hours a day again
Does it really bother you that much?
Yes, 10 hours wearing a mask doing physical work is a balls.
Well take heart from the fact that you wearing a mask doing physical work is helping make it safer for other people. You are a good bugger as far as Im concerned
I have no problems with wearing a mask while this is going on, but once we get back to normality, this is one of the few things I look forward to.
On a different note my aunt uncle and and 5 cousins got it over Xmas the aunt and uncle came through it alright one of the cousins lost 2 stone because of it and he's going to take a while longer to recover, the uncle was the one we were worried about as he had to get his leg amputated last year because of cancer.
Hearing of more sever cases in the last 2 weeks than the whole time since it started and not in the at risk group but 40s and 50s age bracket
True. It is really annoying.
I can imagine. Here in Oz the issue I find is that it makes me feel even hotter when conditions are warm. But not a big deal in the scheme of things.
Sitting here in Sydney with zero cases of community transmission it is still upsetting watching what most of you are having to go through. Fingers crossed that vaccination and better weather brings huge improvements for you all.
I never said everything was scaremongering i said some things are, there's also been reports in the last few days that give convenient sensational headline's implying the vaccine efficiency of the first dose isn't looking great only to read the full article and see it's not near as bad as the headline makes out. There's also been a bit of "X variant may evade vaccine" headline's when reading the full article the jist actually is (paraphrasing) "research is still be done but the likely worst case is it will marginally weaken vaccine efficiency and even if it completely evades it they can be modified within weeks at most", I'm sure someone will pop up soon with a way to justify it but in what way is that responsible reporting?
Never said the situation wasn't serious (and if you look at the thread "should football be suspended" i actually countered an argument by someone ,mildly not to denying level, playing it down) that was Pogue trying to twist my words to suit his narrative (yet again). However there's some corners of people who appear to be absolutely revelling in this and the fact that so many are leaping to the defense of those types show exactly why they will carry on doing it, because they have an army of sheep/cheerleaders who will act as their free marketing team and give them this platform.
To give you one example of someone who appears to be revelling in this (and has an army of apologist's ready to justify his every move) Piers Morgan. After months of exaggerated statements/tweets (for example never tweeting when there was a week by week decrease but whenever a week by week increase came about he was all over it) then buggered off to France in the summer, returned while gloating about dodging quarentine (he actually tweeted branding himself a quarentine dodger) did the same relentless campaign again and then flew to Antigua just before Christmas not only while living in a tier 3 area but also days after aggressively trying to shame people into staying at home over Christmas. Why is he not being called out on such blatant double standards? Why is he not being "held to account" as he likes to put it? In what way is that anything other than dispicable behaviour? There's no defense for his behaviour although it's certainly not for the want of trying.
But above all else, that type of biased/selective reporting is exactly why a lot of the country were so complacent with this in the first place, because we heard the exact same song with Ebola/Swine Flu/Bird Flu etc al, so when one turned up that actually was a serious problem for the Western world people thought they were crying wolf again and just carried on as you were.
People who deny/defend the type of people/stories I mentioned aren't that much better than the lunatics denying there's a virus. Infact long term their actions are probably more damaging, eventually by hook or by crook this pandemic will end, the likes of Piers Morgan and their fan clubs will still be here.
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Personally don't expect there to ever to be an end to this. I see little evidence that vaccination will provide a permanent solution. End game is COVID-19 becoming seasonal and permanent like influenza imo. In northern hemisphere we should at least see some easing through spring and summer.
Sure vaccines might take the edge off deaths every winter, as the yearly influenza vaccine does. I don't see covid zero being viable long term because there are enough countries in the world where that is impossible to allow SARS-CoV-2 to continue evolving, it will then spread back to rest of the world via freight and migration legal and illegal.
Sure you can keep it out of cut off islands for very long periods of time, it will just mean no one from the rest of the world will ever be able to visit again without strict quarantine and vice versa as people in those places won't have up to date immunity for it due to lack of natural exposure.
Sure vaccines might take the edge off deaths every winter, as the yearly influenza vaccine does. I don't see covid zero being viable long term because there are enough countries in the world where that is impossible to allow SARS-CoV-2 to continue evolving, it will then spread back to rest of the world via freight and migration legal and illegal.
Sure you can keep it out of cut off islands for very long periods of time, it will just mean no one from the rest of the world will ever be able to visit again without strict quarantine and vice versa as people in those places won't have up to date immunity for it due to lack of natural exposure.
I don't think there's ever been any doubt it will still be here in some capacity even when the Pandemic is declared over.
The only virus that's ever been eradicated is smallpox, even the Bubonic Plague is still lurking around to a (very) small degree.
So thats it then. We may as well end it all now if this is how we have to live.
End of the world has begun.
Being an Island helps but Britain is an island.
Nope. People are just feeling overwhelmed at the moment. Which is totally understandable.
This too shall pass.
My wife’s granddad sadly died this morning. He caught COVID end of November and tested positive on 1st December. He died of complications from COVID so in theory due to the date of the test he won’t count in the figures of who died from COVID (not within the last 28 days).
begs the question how many others have died from complications after 28 days and then aren’t being added to the figures.
begs the question how many others have died from complications after 28 days and then aren’t being added to the figures.
Stats
ONS
In England, London and the North East had the highest infection rates in the week ending 16 January. We estimate that in London, 1 in 35 people had #COVID19
ONS
In England, London and the North East had the highest infection rates in the week ending 16 January. We estimate that in London, 1 in 35 people had #COVID19
Parts of Norway (10 municipalities) are closing down as of today, with the strictest lockdown rules since the 12. of march.
Numbers of newly infected and dead are still pretty low in Norway though, but areas being locked down because of a spread of the UK mutation.
Numbers of newly infected and dead are still pretty low in Norway though, but areas being locked down because of a spread of the UK mutation.
Of course it does. Wearing something over your face for 10 hours isn't pleasant. Necessary, but unpleasant.
The first lockdown I used to go later to Tesco and had to queue outside, it was orderly and like Morrisons they only let one in at a time. I now go around seven o'clock and there are not enough people there to form a queue. They have the traffic light so it will change colour once the limit of people is reached. I was back home before eight o'clock. I only do my shopping once like you. If I forget something it is just tough.
Don't know if this has been shared but the WHO have issued guidance on PCR testing, which suggests that some aren't following the instructions for use when it comes to manual adjustment of the positivity threshold.
https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05
https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05
What a bizarre thing to ask.
I've worn a mask for two hours when they temporarily opened footy games again.
Was quite unpleasant and i wouldn't be in any hurry to get back into a ground if you still need one.
This guy wears it all day. Doing physical work.
That would be really horrible.
What’s the advice on exercise (indoors obviously) when you’re positive? Don’t do it even if you feel ok?
Whilst I don't necessarily agree with the media "fear-mongering" I do think that news papers are very poor at reporting science effectively. By now they've all carried hundred of articles over the years with headlines stating "X causes cancer" based on a small study, without fully contextualising it. Hence why people joke "everything causes cancer". They effectively desensitise people to potential risks and cause mistrust of science by poorly reporting it.
That’s complete nonsense. A fiction spread on social media. Which has been corrected multiple times in this thread, including by the doctors that sign their name to the cause of death on death certs. Most recently @Hernandez - BFA.
What's your opinion on Piers Morgan going on holiday in December and gloating about dodging quarentine in August? Only asking because you don't seem to be as quick to condemn him as you are others, I'm assuming it's because his views align closer to yours!
That isn’t how deaths are recorded. You write the cause of death on the death certificate. When someone is eaten by a crocodile they don’t check their health records and write down COVID. For all sorts of reasons. They have to have both died within 28 days of Covid and had that as their suspected cause of death, primary or secondary. Not just the first part. Why don’t you ask someone who actually does it for a living.
It’s wild that you’re calling people sheep for buying into scaremongering, while you’re here buying into a different kind of scaremongering. It is just scaremongering from a source that you prefer based on an ideology you’re more aligned to. It’s easier to see it in others than yourself.
Here you’re just parroting a line that comes from people you share some beliefs with. You’ve also just regurgitated it without really critically analysing the idea. Like the crocodiles. The maths doesn’t add up, ultimately.
If you believe a lot more people will test positive because a lot more tests are freely available, then you believe there is a lot of undetected infection out there currently. That is the single biggest factor in community transmission. If you can better identify the level and source of transmission, you can better control it. If you believe that the reason they would come forward for tests is the financial incentive, which is tied exclusively to an isolation period, then you believe that more infected people would remove themselves from community transmission chains. That would improve the weakest part of our virus response.
If those two things happened then yes case numbers would go up in the short term. But case numbers would fall more quickly and more sustainedly over the medium term, and so the media’s window for fear mongering would be greatly shortened, and their dramatic peaks would be less common and less impactful. Not only would it lead to fewer total infections, which brings with it fewer hospitalisations and deaths, but it would reduce the proportion of people that get seriously ill. The earlier people get tested, the earlier they can go to hospital and get appropriate treatment, and the better their health outcomes are on average.
So it wouldn’t be a very good way to boost the numbers. That’s not at all in keeping with the epidemiology of this pandemic. I agree with you that the media like dramatic headlines, but the net impact of this policy would have been fewer opportunities of them, not more. Even the most sceptical epidemiologists you’re a fan of would confirm the basic facts of how transmission takes place, and the role test and isolate plays in mitigating that. They might choose to focus on other aspects of the pandemic but they wouldn’t argue against that basic truth.
Maybe you’re a sheep. Or maybe there’s a better way to describe people that focus on particular angles of a story that are more important to them, and recycle parts of stories from sources they trust. I’d just call that being a human.
What a weird post. I think Piers Morgan is an attention-seeking twat and have zero interest in what he says about anything. What’s that got to do with death certs?
Why are people still going on about anything on death certificates being put down on COVID? We’ve locked society down, made the world safer (less people in work, less people on roads, less chance of catching illnesses) and excess deaths are still above the official Corona numbers. How do you explain that @Dancfc.
Also who the feck cares about Piers Morgan? But it is clear that one side of the “debate” has spread more untruths than others - hence TalkRadio being taken down for spreading mistruths; Toby Young deleting all past tweets and that Sikora idiot being completely discreditedz
Also who the feck cares about Piers Morgan? But it is clear that one side of the “debate” has spread more untruths than others - hence TalkRadio being taken down for spreading mistruths; Toby Young deleting all past tweets and that Sikora idiot being completely discreditedz
Try explaining that to the Qpricks all over the world,
The advice I've read to college athletes (based on heart studies) even those who are feeling ok/normal is keep your heart rate low and don't get out of breath. So basically keep it gentle. The risk appears to be that you can be sicker than you feel and you'll pay for it later. So no racing, feeling the burn, or pushing through.
It particularly applies if you've had symptoms (even mild ones) but you are now feeling ok again. Build up slowly, and don't ignore your body's warnings - heart rate, breathlessness, dizziness etc.
If you've got a pulse oximeter use that to let you know if you should be exercising at all - if yours is below 95% at any stage then you need to rest irrespective of how you feel.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.m4721
Has some details, if you're interested in the background briefing the doctors/physios are getting.
It was a magnificent tangent and he also yeld at you for some strange reason.
And why people think that doctors would put Covid as the cause of death if they don't believe that it is the case? What is the rational behind that theory beyond the Qanon conspiracies?
Many thanks. I think I’ll sack it off as I’m not exactly in athletic condition at the moment, I was working to get back there but will take a few weeks off. We have an oximeter actually and so far the lowest reading is 97 so all well so far
Oh, didn't you know? We get a bonus for every Covid death recorded in our hospital! I'm rolling in it mate, just bought myself a Ferrari and all.It was a magnificent tangent and he also yeld at you for some strange reason.
And why people think that doctors would put Covid as the cause of death if they don't believe that it is the case? What is the rational behind that theory beyond the Qanon conspiracies?
Shhhhh! You’re not allowed to tell them that!
Oops!Shhhhh! You’re not allowed to tell them that!
Just a general tip for people who catch Covid if they want to make one preparation in case of critical illness. Find a comfortable position while in a prone position and try to make yourself comfortable lying on your belly for longer periods.
We've had numerous patients who we had to intubate and put on ventilators because they couldn't or wouldn't prone while awake due to discomfort, joint pain or neck pain.
We've had numerous patients who we had to intubate and put on ventilators because they couldn't or wouldn't prone while awake due to discomfort, joint pain or neck pain.
Someone, somewhere, is going to use that in an argument.