No, I’m not crying about not getting my vaccine first. You are. feck who dies, they’re only construction workers.
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The only person whining crying and getting all worked up here is you. The very fact you've even brought up teachers because I mentioned them a few weeks ago shows you've got an agenda.
It's also strange to take bizarre personal swipes at people on the internet when you know nothing about them.
I don't think it'll get to that stage.
You displayed your opinion for all to see. feck anyone else, as long as you and yours are looked after. You were the one ‘giving up’, not me.
Again it's rather silly to make sweeping statements about people you don't know. You'll end up looking daft again.
It’s your post. It’s there for all to see. If it was proven you were more likely to die working in construction than being a police officer, would them getting the vaccine first make you give up?
You guys need to agree to disagree (something I’m absolutely terrible at but at least I’m good at recognising it!)
No not at all. I've worked throughout the pandemic and will continue to do so.
He's obviously bored as schools are closed. Understandable.
Then why say you’d give up if they got the vaccine first with no data showing those groups aren’t at greater risk?
Gives me more time to go and cheer the police so you can feel as important as you want to.
Re vaccine prioritisation it’s a bit more complicated than prioritising the highest death rate, then working down from there. It’s actually extremely complex from an ethical positions.
In Ireland they give a bit of an explanation and there’s lots of factors to consider. For example, restaurant workers might catch a lot of covid but the cost to society of them being off work sick is a lot lower than losing first responders.
In Ireland they give a bit of an explanation and there’s lots of factors to consider. For example, restaurant workers might catch a lot of covid but the cost to society of them being off work sick is a lot lower than losing first responders.
Please wear a mask and work the cheering into your daily exercise. Would hate to have to issue you a fixed penalty notice.
You are exactly right
Which is all fair and contains nuance. Something our friend is incapable of. A blanket, ‘me and my friends have to get it first’, is ridiculous.
Can’t answer. Thought so.
Much like your dialogue in this exchange. Cba feeding the troll anymore.
Please stop with the circular arguments.
It's pointless, tedious and I'll start deleting the posts so just stop.
It's pointless, tedious and I'll start deleting the posts so just stop.
Why are you quoting me saying something I didn't say?
See above.
So, actually looking into the data, you have to wonder about their conclusions somewhat
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...eathsregisteredbetween9marchand28december2020
For example, male chefs have had 103.1 deaths per 100,000 (82 deaths) but chefs will have mostly been furloughed for the last year. I wasn't sure if chefs included food prep people in other areas, but looking at the "standard occupation classification" it isn't supposed to
I wondered if they were only going by people who died in work but I don't think that's correct. For the number of people in each profession it says this
Its not like you just use that data as the perfect guide for where to vaccinate
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...eathsregisteredbetween9marchand28december2020
For example, male chefs have had 103.1 deaths per 100,000 (82 deaths) but chefs will have mostly been furloughed for the last year. I wasn't sure if chefs included food prep people in other areas, but looking at the "standard occupation classification" it isn't supposed to
So chefs have one of the highest deaths per 100,000 people but will have spent a lot of the time not working!
I wondered if they were only going by people who died in work but I don't think that's correct. For the number of people in each profession it says this
So obviously thats a bit out of date.
Its not like you just use that data as the perfect guide for where to vaccinate
Usual caveats but potentially excellent news in this thread and more reason of importance of two jabs as recommended by Pfizer, according to that news pointing to 99.99% effectiveness. Also in context of high infectivity rate in the country and 40-50% of cases being of the british B.1.1.7. variant
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Its surely in the best interests of society to get Police officers vaccinated. When I was a response officer, the amount of times I went from an incident where I was up close and personal with the type of person who wouldn’t give a feck about COVID restrictions, to a care home via half a dozen houses makes me think Police officers are a risk for transferring the virus into high risk areas.
The favourite of parents the world over, do as I say not as I do. If only I had a pound for each time ive said that.
You would be really fat.
Now this is exciting news.
Aye. But shhhhhhhhh. Say it too loudly and you'll be told you're being selfish, thinking of yourself and demanding praise and attention.
The mind boggles.
I know a few people who have had the the AZ vaccine and felt pretty poorly afterwards. I assume that's normal with a vaccine right?
It's good news, but that is not how effectiveness is calculated. And it will be nowhere near that number.
A doctor told me that a reaction to a vaccine means that the bodies immune system has its boxing gloves on.
I don’t know what this means
They have devised 12 categories here for vaccine prioritisation, divided into four phases.
Phase One (5% of total population)
- Frontline health workers (an estimated 1.4 million people)
- Nursing home staff and residents (570,000 people)
- Over-80s (4.4 million people)
- 60-79 year olds
- People of any age with at least one chronic health condition that puts them at higher risk of falling seriously ill with Covid-19
- Sociodemographic groups at significantly higher risk of severe illness or death
- High-risk teachers and school staff
- All other teachers and school staff
- Key workers and others who work in high-risk settings
- Prison wardens and prisoners
- People with less serious chronic health conditions
- Everyone else
We've heard today that the over-80s vaccinations will be delayed by about 4 weeks (some regions were close to starting them), and everyone in the other categories will have to wait for 6-8 weeks longer than planned. Of course, Italy has taken the line of making sure those who've been vaccinated with the first dose receive the second one, in view of the delays in supply, rather than pressing on with giving other people a first dose.
Just his way of explaining the body making antibodies and getting ready to kick a virus’ ass I suppose. I’m not really sure mate, he’s a bit of an eccentric old fool my doc
Very possibly. That was never my issue, more if there was sufficient risk in other areas that police shouldn’t automatically be right up there just because they’re police, but that’s been done to death. Two other people have given better reasons for them to be higher up the list than he could.
Seeing as you’re being pedantic, I will too!
That’s definitely not how efficacy is calculated but it’s not far off how effectiveness is calculated. Efficacy is a measure of how well an intervention works in a controlled clinical trial. You need two different interventions for your calculations, ideally drug vs placebo.
Effectiveness is a measure of “real life efficacy”. How well your intervention works after it’s rolled and used in day to day clinical practice. Usually without any comparator at all. So the Israeli data here is a measure of vaccine effectiveness and you don’t need a placebo cohort for comparison.
What you do need is some other matched cohort, if you’re going to talk about a % effectiveness. Similar to that graph you posted yesterday. Because they don’t get placebo it’s not going to be very accurate (people will behave differently after getting what they believe is a vaccine) but it will provide some context. That’s missing here, so we’re really just going off the fact that they’re experiencing a surge, so 20 cases per 128000 seems reassuringly low. The national average over the last 7 days is 536/100k. Although regional variations will mess up any estimates of effectiveness by doing simple maths on those figures.
EDIT: I’m sure you know all this. Just chatting shit mainly for the benefit of anyone else who’s interested.
AZ vaccine only 8% effective in over 65s?
Corona-News am Montag: AstraZeneca-Impfstoff laut Bericht bei Risikogruppe kaum wirksam - DER SPIEGEL
Corona-News am Montag: AstraZeneca-Impfstoff laut Bericht bei Risikogruppe kaum wirksam - DER SPIEGEL
Thanks, this was really informative.Seeing as you’re being pedantic, I will too!
That’s definitely not how efficacy is calculated but it’s not far off how effectiveness is calculated. Efficacy is a measure of how well an intervention works in a controlled clinical trial. You need two different interventions for your calculations, ideally drug vs placebo.
Effectiveness is a measure of “real life efficacy”. How well your intervention works after it’s rolled and used in day to day clinical practice. Usually without any comparator at all. So the Israeli data here is a measure of vaccine effectiveness and you don’t need a placebo cohort for comparison.
What you do need is some other matched cohort, if you’re going to talk about a % effectiveness. Similar to that graph you posted yesterday. Because they don’t get placebo it’s not going to be very accurate (people will behave differently after getting what they believe is a vaccine) but it will provide some context. That’s missing here, so we’re really just going off the fact that they’re experiencing a surge, so 20 cases per 128000 seems reassuringly low. The national average over the last 7 days is 536/100k. Although regional variations will mess up any estimates of effectiveness by doing simple maths on those figures.
EDIT: I’m sure you know all this. Just chatting shit mainly for the benefit of anyone else who’s interested.
Nothing wrong with being pedantic!Seeing as you’re being pedantic, I will too!
That’s definitely not how efficacy is calculated but it’s not far off how effectiveness is calculated. Efficacy is a measure of how well an intervention works in a controlled clinical trial. You need two different interventions for your calculations, ideally drug vs placebo.
Effectiveness is a measure of “real life efficacy”. How well your intervention works after it’s rolled and used in day to day clinical practice. Usually without any comparator at all. So the Israeli data here is a measure of vaccine effectiveness and you don’t need a placebo cohort for comparison.
What you do need is some other matched cohort, if you’re going to talk about a % effectiveness. Similar to that graph you posted yesterday. Because they don’t get placebo it’s not going to be very accurate (people will behave differently after getting what they believe is a vaccine) but it will provide some context. That’s missing here, so we’re really just going off the fact that they’re experiencing a surge, so 20 cases per 128000 seems reassuringly low. The national average over the last 7 days is 536/100k. Although regional variations will mess up any estimates of effectiveness by doing simple maths on those figures.
EDIT: I’m sure you know all this. Just chatting shit mainly for the benefit of anyone else who’s interested.
In addition if you look at the twitter thread it seems like they haven't even tested all of the 128.000, only people with known exposures or symptoms. So the 99.99% is even more inaccurate.
Well at least the production delays don’t matter that much anymore!