SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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The entire workforce in the pharmaceutical warehouse I work in were offered the vaccine at the beginning of this month. An email went around this week containing data about the take-up, which has been pretty good: 500 out of 600 employees consented and have received their first jab, with the second booked in for April/May.

Only 10 employees turned it down due to "not trusting the contents", with a few more waiting on a doctor to confirm it's safe for them.

In my team, around 50% of us had some form of side effects. Younger people tended to get flu-like symptoms such as constant shivering the night of, whilst others (like me) just had some mild back and arm pain.

My folks, who I'm currently staying with, had their jabs the week before me too, so this has been a massively encouraging month after the uncertainty of the last year.
 

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Not sure what you mean? None of this is anyone’s fault. Young people will get vaccinated later for exactly the reason you point out. If this means older people get to do certain things sooner than them, so be it. Nobody is being penalised. The sequence is completely fair and rational.
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In the UK this sucks. Society has given everything to those over 40, and cut the legs off of people younger than that.

Young people staying home, working, paying rent to vaccinated landlords is just wank.

The young pay for the old. Vaccinating them second, and forcing them to stay home until they’re jabbed... it’s shit.

I’m old. I’ll ‘win’. But it’s shit.
 

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UnrelatedPsuedo said:
In the UK this sucks. Society has given everything to those over 40, and cut the legs off of people younger than that.

Young people staying home, working, paying rent to vaccinated landlords is just wank.

The young pay for the old. Vaccinating them second, and forcing them to stay home until they’re jabbed... it’s shit.

I’m old. I’ll ‘win’. But it’s shit.
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It is what it is. The sequence the vaccine is being rolled out makes sense. And it would obviously be nuts to continue to lock people out of society who could be contributing to getting things back to normal, just because some of them are landlords and their tenants might take offence.

Besides, the most meaningful gap is likely to be between the elderly and the young. So we won’t see huge swathes of middle-aged folk living it large, while Gen Z/Millenials watch enviously on.
 

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Pogue Mahone said:
Not sure what you mean? None of this is anyone’s fault. Young people will get vaccinated later for exactly the reason you point out. If this means older people get to do certain things sooner than them, so be it. Nobody is being penalised. The sequence is completely fair and rational.
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Exactly.

Although I suppose that you could make an argument to vaccinate the young first as they spread it more than other age demographics the selfish socialising super spreading snowflakes that they are.

Yes. That last bit was a joke
 

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Wibble said:
Exactly.

Although I suppose that you could make an argument to vaccinate the young first as they spread it more than other age demographics the selfish socialising super spreading snowflakes that they are.

Yes. That last bit was a joke
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Might be a joke but that’s the plan in Ireland. 18-35 ahead of 35-50 in the queue because they socialise more. Means I slip down a place in the queue, personally, but that’s fine by me. Like I said, so long as there’s sensible rationale for the sequence then it’s all good. And if vaccine passports are a safe way to accelerate the return to normal then whinging about being denied one of those documents “through no fault of my own” just seems churlish.
 

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Might be a joke but that’s the plan in Ireland. 18-35 ahead of 35-50 in the queue because they socialise more. Means I slip down a place in the queue, personally, but that’s fine by me. Like I said, so long as there’s sensible rationale for the sequence then it’s all good. And if vaccine passports are a safe way to accelerate the return to normal then whinging about being denied one of those documents “through no fault of my own” just seems churlish.
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Only the insults at the end were meant as a joke.

If your hospitals aren't overwhelmed you could start with the young as that will probably reduce R faster. A hard sell to deny those who might well die if they get covid though.

And agreed in general. Someone has to be first and if that isn't you then suck it up princess. I'd like it tomorrow but I won't get it until July/August I suspect.
 

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UnrelatedPsuedo said:
In the UK this sucks. Society has given everything to those over 40, and cut the legs off of people younger than that.

Young people staying home, working, paying rent to vaccinated landlords is just wank.

The young pay for the old. Vaccinating them second, and forcing them to stay home until they’re jabbed... it’s shit.

I’m old. I’ll ‘win’. But it’s shit.
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I don't agree. I am 40, right in the middle and I believe that the young people live on what it had been built for the older generation. And if we do have a moral compass, vaccinating the ones at risk should be a priority and if it needs to be complemented with restrictions, I welcome it.

The none access to affordable housing because the old generation might hoard houses as a moneymaking capital accumulation is something unrelated to that and we probably would agree that is not fair
 

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The young stayed inside for the last 12 months to protect the old. There is a smaller chance that young people will die from the virus but it is still more than capable of fecking them up. As far as I'm concerned the newly vaccinated old can return the favour and stay inside for those who are still waiting for their turn. Vaccine passports can come in only once everybody has had the opportunity to get the vaccine.
 

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11101 said:
The young stayed inside for the last 12 months to protect the old. There is a smaller chance that young people will die from the virus but it is still more than capable of fecking them up. As far as I'm concerned the newly vaccinated old can return the favour and stay inside for those who are still waiting for their turn. Vaccine passports can come in only once everybody has had the opportunity to get the vaccine.
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The young did not stay inside thats why everyone is still in the shit
 

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11101 said:
The young stayed inside for the last 12 months to protect the old. There is a smaller chance that young people will die from the virus but it is still more than capable of fecking them up. As far as I'm concerned the newly vaccinated old can return the favour and stay inside for those who are still waiting for their turn. Vaccine passports can come in only once everybody has had the opportunity to get the vaccine.
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What world are you living in?
 

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I'm just disproving the other poster's claim, as the video quite clearly shows hundreds of young people not staying inside, would you like to prove otherwise?
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Us middle aged have had tonnes of home parties, we’re just sneakier.

Blaming the young for why a virus is still around just sums up the past year, people spending the entire time trying to find someone to blame for a completely natural phenomenon.
 

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11101 said:
The whole world stayed inside. A few rulebreakers here and there doesn't change the enormous impact the lockdowns and restrictions had.
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Is not just a few. It's everywhere. Young people did NOT stay indoors.
 

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Stanley Road said:
I'm just disproving the other poster's claim, as the video quite clearly shows hundreds of young people not staying inside, would you like to prove otherwise?
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Is "hundreds" of young people representative of the majority?

Whilst we've not defined "young" in the context of this conversation, I know people older than me (I'm mind 30's) who've breached the rules going back to the first lockdown, even when they were themselves clinically vulnerable. I'm not suggesting this is representative of everyone.
 

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Stanley Road said:
Really? Not where i live, why dont you stick to the rules? Are you exempt?
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Where I live they don’t lock us inside for a start so I don’t have to, I can meet people at a safe distance in a cafe, pub, outdoor service, wherever basically.
But there have been plenty of reports of middle aged people in the UK breaking the “rules” and you’re extremely naive if you think otherwise.
I know loads of mates back home who absolutely haven’t stayed indoors. It’s gotten worse with each lockdown.

But hey man, keep playing the blame game, if the young had just stayed indoors it’d be gone now.
 

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RedRover said:
Is "hundreds" of young people representative of the majority?

Whilst we've not defined "young" in the context of this conversation, I know people older than me (I'm mind 30's) who've breached the rules going back to the first lockdown, even when they were themselves clinically vulnerable. I'm not suggesting this is representative of everyone.
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Yes, yes it is, that's why we have a curfew and also why you dont see many old feckers in the video
 

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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Where I live they don’t lock us inside for a start so I don’t have to, I can meet people at a safe distance in a cafe, pub, outdoor service, wherever basically.
But there have been plenty of reports of middle aged people in the UK breaking the “rules” and you’re extremely naive if you think otherwise.

But hey man, keep playing the blame game, if the young had just stayed indoors it’d be gone now.
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Right ok, did you see all them 60+ people lobbing bricks and fireworks at the police a couple of weeks back in their masses?? Go find some sand man
 

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Pointing to an incident with a few hundred people doesn't really prove anything as that's still an infitesimally small fraction of young people as a whole. We've seen plenty of incidents of middle-aged people gathering when they shouldn't too but that doesn't prove that people generally aren't complying or trying to comply with the rules.

I mean I would certainly imagine that young people are more likely to disobey the rules. But that's what you'd expect from any group of people who are least at risk but disproportionately impacted economically (and arguably socially too). You can bet your life you'd see less compliance from older people if they weren't directly at risk.

The reality is that most adults of all ages are still complying to the rules to a good standard. Not necessarily perfect, not necessarily obeying every rule at every time, but that applies to all ages.
 

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Stanley Road said:
I'm just disproving the other poster's claim, as the video quite clearly shows hundreds of young people not staying inside, would you like to prove otherwise?
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VP89 said:
Is not just a few. It's everywhere. Young people did NOT stay indoors.
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Fortunately, there are data providers who can actually prove this, rather than a random news article you found on the internet.

Amsterdam saw a 48% reduction in recreational activities over the last month vs. the same period last year. The UK saw a 60% reduction.

Those figures are from smartphone tracking data... those things the youngsters all have. Not quite the rule flouting you expected.
 

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sullydnl said:
Pointing to an incident with a few hundred people doesn't really prove anything as that's still an infitesimably small fraction of young people as a whole. We've seen plenty of incidents of middle-aged people gathering when they shouldn't too but that doesn't prove that people generally aren't complying or trying to comply with the rules.

I mean I would certainly imagine that young people are more likely to disobey the rules. But that's what you'd expect from any group of people who are least a risk but disproportionately impacted socially/economically. You can bet your life you'd see less compliance from older people if they weren't directly at risk.

The reality is that most adults of all ages are still complying to the rules to a good standard. Not necessarily perfect, not necessarily obeying every rule at every time, but that applies to all ages.
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Headline from Het Parool, fake news??

Most corona cases now among 13- to 17-year-olds
The number of corona cases among children is increasing. The number of infections is increasing, especially among 13- to 17-year-olds. Among adults in each group, the number of cases actually decreases.
 

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11101 said:
Fortunately, there are data providers who can actually prove this, rather than a random news article you found on the internet.

Amsterdam saw a 48% reduction in recreational activities over the last month vs. the same period last year. The UK saw a 60% reduction.

Those figures are from smartphone tracking data... those things the youngsters all have. Not quite the rule flouting you expected.
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So 40% were still out doing their thing according to your smart phone stats? And you think that's a small enough number to lazily claim in young people stayed at home? Work more on your margins. Youl see better percentages of old people sticking home in the last 12 months, and that tells you which of the categories were worse spreaders.

This study even puts doubt into what you're saying from a year ago https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...-sticking-uk-lockdown-rules-study-coronavirus

Where it was believed less than 50% of those under 30 bothered to comply with lockdown.

Regulus Arcturus Black said:
They just need someone to blame 11101.

Blaming the fecking virus might be a good start I’d say.
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I didn't blame young people.
 
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Stanley Road said:
Well it cant be the young's fault, they've all been inside for 12 months while the aged were out spreading the virus, especially those old cnuts in care homes, the bastards
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Ok, where are we stopping “young” at now? 60<

The care home one is a nightmare isn’t it? It’s the indoor home environment where the virus spreads at it’s best, with prolonged exposure and with lots of risk people sharing the same walls.
It’s brought in by staff, most of whom aren’t in their 20’s.
 
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