I partially agree however, the government as the rule setters, should lead by example.
Rinse & repeat.
Everything I’ve seen so far points towards vaccine passports and WFH mandates. Nothing on travel that I’ve seen (other than the day 2 PCR and pre departure tests).
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From what I can gather, I don't think there would be further restrictions on international travel. In regards to required testing, that's currently at the strictest level it's been at since the pandemic started.
To be fair, a portion would also probably start doing it as well.
Thanks both, yea they’re all set up for their PCR tests on arrival so fingers crossed that will be sufficient.
I, for one, followed the rules. Not necessarily because the government told us not to, but largely because it was sensible at the time. Still, posts like this are a huge generalisation and even if some broke them anyway and want to use it as an excuse, there are many people who did follow the rules. And even if the decision this year won’t be changed because of the governments breach of their own rules because people like me will still make our own decisions within the bounds of the rules, it is both incredibly disrespectful from them, and more understandable for those who will now choose not to because of it. And to be honest it isn’t about parties for the most part. It’s the inference on all the other rules people followed to which something like this is a kick in the teeth. It’s the rules preventing you seeing someone in hospital who doesn’t have covid but can’t because of the rules. Or seeing a lonely grand parent because of the rules. Or a whole host of things far more personal and important than Christmas parties.
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Yeah, that’s an interesting one. A much steeper peak on the way up could mean a steep peak on the way down. The area under the curve (total infected) much bigger but duration could be shorter.
It would be interesting to know how many of the 7000 had any symptoms or were actually ill.
All the arguing about kids is getting silly at this point. Nobody was sticking their head in the sand. What’s happening right now is a surge of cases in the unvaccinated. Which obviously includes kids under 12. And we would have ridden that surge out without any real drama thanks to boosters in adults (hospitalisations currently stable/decreasing, ICU likewise) and the fact covid doesn’t make kids very sick; if it wasn’t for omicron on the horizon. That’s the obvious reason behind the recent restrictions/general apprehension from NPHET et al.
I know I take the piss on the kids thing with you but in fairness I think it's justifiable for people to be a bit miffed about how the schools were handled. I don't think anyone realistically wanted them closed but the fact that they got rid of contact tracing, didn't introduce antigen testing when they said they would, sent incredibly mixed messages on mask wearing (and have now changed their minds despite repeatedly saying the opposite) and all around kept saying that schools were perfectly safe. I think questions have to be asked but at the other end of the spectrum they are getting a bit of an unfair rep cause as you said, they are the only cohort not vaxxed now. I think we can all agree though that the best solution is for Storm Barra to hang around until winter is over.
That’s all fair criticism.
Delta did move the goalposts but we should have moved in context with it, instead we removed contact tracing etc
I personally think that it’s because kids are getting tested properly now, not just a few here and there, coupled with a surge
Yes, 6pm.
Yeah but we already know what it is as usual.
Yeah I was just reading the latest Sage predictions - highly likely an Omnicron wave will peak above 2k admissions a day - and they mentioned one of the big unknowns is we may have a Delta wave and an Omnicron wave occurring within different cohorts simultaneously - hopefully not!
It does mention in that leaked report on the BBC that the scale of the hospitalisations is completely unknown. SAGE have a tendency to go for the worst case scenario, and their models have been found to be some way out of late.
this should be extremely obvious, but the problem is that it's the govt setting the very rules that it's breaking.
They’ll have numerous different models - it’s very difficult to predict this stuff at the moment as we have such little data on this variant. However, them saying “highly likely” means this isn’t the worst case scenario they’ve modelled.
Yeah, there’s a definite possibility that omicron’s main advantage over delta is immune escape and delta will remain dominant in the unvaccinated. Delta mopping up the low hanging fruit while omicron rips through everyone else.
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Thanks for pointing out something extremely obvious. I might be a buffoon who needs to be talked to like a child, unable to process extremely obvious information, or I might've been making a different point to the one you read. Who knows. No need for intended meaning to get in the way of petty point scoring though, right?
Same rules that are in Scotland and Wales where it’s doubling at the same rate. Not sure this will slow it that much.
Do what is right. Anyone who is looking to eejits like Boris for moral guidance are off their rockers. Since when has he been a role model? He literally walked through a hospital without a mask merely 3 weeks ago!
Yup. I’d have rather liked a question on what the early data is indicating regarding severity but instead all we got was party gate.
