Being such a large country some places will escape the worst but as you said, the densely populated areas are in for a heavy hit.
Unfortunately some people still refuse to take this seriously all over, not just America.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
- Start date
Welcome to the party!
I took the line from RTE website but they changed it. My mistake
So back from Thailand.
Just went out to shops for first time and was quite startled how people were looking very suspiciously at each other, actively avoiding each other when walking, and generally being very careful.
Of course it’s good that Government requirements are being met, but I am intrigued/worried about the longer terms effects of this new enforced behaviour. It feels like the first stage on one of the zombie movies.
Who knows how this will play out!
Just went out to shops for first time and was quite startled how people were looking very suspiciously at each other, actively avoiding each other when walking, and generally being very careful.
Of course it’s good that Government requirements are being met, but I am intrigued/worried about the longer terms effects of this new enforced behaviour. It feels like the first stage on one of the zombie movies.
Who knows how this will play out!
Trump expects 100k new ventilators to be built over the next 100 days. Probably not gonna do much for this wave, but it should help US a lot for the next wave.
To be fair China has 4 times the population of the US and the US has more cases. Although this was limited to Wuhan it shows how what they did works (for now). In terms of the most testing, in total numbers I'm not sure but per capita it is definitely not. New York is close to Korea which is leading the world in testing but most other states are well behind.
sorry to say - you should have really self-quarantined for 14 days before going out.
Wait till figures are the same as Italy’s and all that toilet roll will come in handy as they won’t leave the toilet, let alone the house.
Jeez, for the people wishing death on Boris is one thing 
But you guys should be aware that Raab is a far more terrifying prospect as PM
And for the grass is greener brigade, on the flipside, in another universe we could have ended up with Diane Abbott as PM....
But you guys should be aware that Raab is a far more terrifying prospect as PM
And for the grass is greener brigade, on the flipside, in another universe we could have ended up with Diane Abbott as PM....
Last edited:
Yeah in terms of deaths the UK's still much closer to France on the trajectory.
Interactive version here
Wait till the lock-down is the same as Italy's, then people will really feel the pressure. What the UK has now still gives people the opportunity to move around a fair bit and there seems to be little proper enforcement.
very interesting video and visualizations by 3Blue1Brown on the spread of the pandemic and how effective are some measures to slow and stop them
I don't trust China's numbers at all, though it is absolutely true that China's response (after the first month when they fecked it up) was really good and they more or less solved their problem (at least for the short term).
The US is doing now more than 100k testings per day (which to a large degree it is why the number of infected has increased so much). It is bad, but I actually think at the moment it is better than Spain/Italy/France.
Shouldn't you be quarantined?
Devils advocate time but seeing stuff like this a lot on here and online but the NHS was on a downward spiral in the labour years, no?
was just joking :-)Have you been living under a rockhim and Idris Elba were like the first celebs to come out as positive
Naughty boy @sammsky1
The worst thing that could happen for US would be trump getting it. If he recovered from it that would be it, he would be trying to open everything back up as he would think it was no big deal.
It's the percentage of the population that's important, not the number.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/27/coronavirus-testing-us/
This is the thing I was dreading.
Not just because it puts to bed the whole her immunity thing, but it means vaccines are much more complex to produce.
Like flu, you will need a shot for it every year once they have this cracked.
If / when we come out the other size of this, this is surely going to lead to a revolutionary change in the NHS?! This is highlighting huge gaps in funding and facilities that politicians can’t gloss over going forward.
Thanks - interesting. Just shows how difficult it is to know when and how we can exit from this mess. It really depends on how we are on doing what we can. Wash hands - avoid unnecessary trips etc.
Its been going on for quite a few decades, no one will notice the difference...
Unless the advice changed, you only have to quarantine if you feel symptoms. Automatic quarantine was only for people returning from China and Italy. This could have changed in the past few days though.
I was keeping an eye on this, as I was supposed to be going to Thailand as part of a trip at the end of April, and wanted to know the situation.
I've not specifically been told that people returning from overseas should enforce 'quarantine' and what that exactly entails. Was certainly not given any instructions at airport or from Government since.
I'm really not sure what the protocol is and for whom. It's the only time I went out as I needed to buy some food essentials. But if you're right, thanks for pointing out, and will strictly enforce from now on.
I think there is a communications issue here in UK. ie: quarantine vs self isolation vs social isolation vs physical distancing; what each actually entails and for whom it's applicable.
Last edited:
They know this. Hence they've adopted an incremental approach since day one, to minimise resistance and control the situation as calmly as possible.
"Take it on the chin"/herd immunity > some measures > slightly stronger measures > lockdown-ish.
The same will apply for lockdown itself.
"3 weeks and constant reviewing" > 3 more weeks > setting a deadline for lockdown to release which is 2 weeks away.
So basically, an 8week quarantine/lockdown. Same as some other countries. But try telling our population on day 1 they're locked down for 2months. Slow, steady increments while dangling a carrot is the way forward.
Yeah, you're right, but not to this extent (past 5-10 years).
Gun to head?
I think the opposite. One thing world governments do is use a catastrophe to their advantage. If they can slip in a new rule or restriction to favour them, they will.
This is a government that was strongly rumoured to be trying to bring in private healthcare while consistently underfunding the NHS.
What is more likely? Be honest here
A) Boris coming out and essentially saying "We were wrong all along. This crisis has proven how vital our NHS is. We have screwed up, here."
B) Boris coming out and saying "as proud as we are, this has been proof of how inadequate and inefficient a public health service is. Private healthcare and the funding it would bring, would have nailed this virus">
Sorry, but it's B.
It’s just common sense. Travel accounts for a lot of chance for infection. You don’t have to show symptoms to be infected. You will be infecting others unknowingly. If you travel you should self-quarantine - no buts. It’s the right thing to do.
I think that we might avoid that. The measures in place have come late but not too late as to warrant us moving into a full lockdown. It would take something really drastic, like a total moron coming back from someplace like, oh I dunno, let's say Thailand, and just immediately wandering around town instead of self isolating for two weeks. But I don't think anyone is as stupid as to do something as dumb as that.
ffs
Mate, anorexia isn't just "she looks a bit thin, innit?" It's a serious medical diagnosis with a lot of different factors. The idea that fergieisold off the internet can look at her Facebook and conclude "yep, definitely anorexia" is patently absurd. Maybe she did have anorexia. Maybe she had something else. Maybe she had some completely unrelated heart condition. Speculating based on the Facebook profile of a dead girl is more than a bit pointless. We can't know.
Sorry, but 'common sense' wont do here; different people have different standards of 'common sense'.
I'm now very confused and need specific Government guidance, which I'll gladly enforce and follow. Please show me that.
Fair enough on communication. I had an employee who was in Florida and returned to Canada. She and all her family family are in self quarantine now. Their friends buy their essentials for them. I know that might be dififcult for many people. But we all have to do what is needed to get out of this freaking nightmare.
I didn't say he shouldn't do it. I just pointed out that the government advice doesn't say they have to. In fact, it was quite clear on the fact that you didn't need to.
I agree, it makes sense to, but you can't tell someone they're in the wrong for following government advice.
I've no problem enduring difficulty and happy to join the collective nightmare... I've simply not been told by Government to enter strict quarantine.
Yes, we have a quarantine act that's always in effect if you return to Canada and look seriously ill but due to COVID-19 it's been publicly stated that if you return to Canada from abroad you must self-quarantine for 14 days. If you're caught breaking this you face fines and possibly jail time.
My sister was working in the US and came back before the order but her employer instructed her to self quarantine for 14 days.
People need to calm down with the trajectories as if it's a fecking competition. There's very little use in looking at them as the speed in early accelerations will differ so pick you can pick whatever arbitrary point you want to alter the lines.
The only important bit is when each country starts to flatten.
The only important bit is when each country starts to flatten.
Again, please show me instructions from our Government where Im asked to quarantine!
Until we went into lock down the was a government page listing countries into two categories, category one was mainly China and Italy, anyone returning from these counties had to go into self isolation no matter what.
Category 2 countries included most of Asia, including Thailand, for these countries you were advised to keep a close eye on yourself and self isolate at the first signs of any illness. Which was / is basically the advice for everyone anyway.
The site got taken down recently, so I don't know the advice as of today.
Thats also what I was aware of, the day I left Thailand, but according to experts above, I'm not following Government advice.
Yeah we really need a more broader set of communication and protocol across the world. I hear you. But really looking at how infectious this virus is and the tricky nature of it - I hope everyone just does what they can to minimize it’s spread. I have 2 teenagers at home. One gets it. The other thinks it’s ok to go and see his girlfriend the odd day. It is stressing all of us out!
Trump stating that he had a call with Boris Johnson and said the first thing he said before hello was ‘We need ventilators’. Taking it with a pinch of salt. (Source - BBC Live story on Covid19)