With all due respect, I bet people outside of China know more about what's going on in the country than the average person within its borders.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Read an interesting thread where the guy stated that most of fear inside Wuhan isnt so much from the virus itself but rather the lack of transparency from the government and whether people will be treated should they need it.
With all due respect I think your wrong having spoken to the wife's family today... The problem is more information (some conflicting )overload
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51221394
This bit is quite telling.
Just because your wife is in the middle of the propaganda machine, that doesn't mean the propaganda machine doesn't exist.
They'll have a testing plan in a week at all airports and a vaccine soon after. It's a matter of controlling the movement of affected people in the meantime. It's apparently 90% homologous to the SARS virus.
In an era of molecular biology and rapid dna sequencing it takes a lot for an outbreak to become an epidemic even in a country as densely populated as China.
In an era of molecular biology and rapid dna sequencing it takes a lot for an outbreak to become an epidemic even in a country as densely populated as China.
If there are people spreading false rumours then they should be investigated. I wish other countries would also take online trolls more seriously, instead they get their likes and retweets, then people forget about them and they get away with it. Not the rumours however.
Not sure what your direct experience is here but I've got friends in China and i wouldn't characterise your claim as remotely true.
It's very easy to access outside news in China even access Facebook. Most just use local alternatives which do get some censorship but they're not all ignorant of everything.
Did she get arrested? The only thing I found interesting was her estimation of the number of infected, everything else was standard fare.
Quite possibly. She obviously felt she would be, given her attempts at anonymity.
It's good that you've learned something new.
That you should not reveal your identity when speaking to the public without authorization? I knew that from the first job I took right out of school.
If you meant her estimation count, better forward that to the W.H.O., they still think there's only around a thousand confirmed cases.
My wife really isn't in the middle of the propaganda machine as she's lived in the UK with me for the last 12 years and nor are her family even though they live in China... Like the vast majority of even vaguely half intelligent Chinese people (and keep in mind china has more 1st class graduates than the usa has graduates each year) they have figured out how to use a VPN and are more than Capable of getting and reading news from anywhere in the world
Having been born in UK grown up in HK then having lived and worked in mainland China and USA as well as several European countries and now being back in UK I think I'm a bit better placed to assess my family's access to world wide info than you... And given we spoke for a couple of hours today and the comparing info we had was one of the topics we spoke about I am again minded to think I know a lot more about this than you and you might as well shut up wind yer neck in and jog on dear boy
So you'd say you're better informed than the average person within the borders of China? Because that's what I said.
Not particularly... They are in their 50's and well informed as are most of their friends... Most of the younglings are far better informed though
Not only that. Gas stations are forbidden to sell gas to cars with local plates and is forbidden to be out of home after 17:00. They can't quarantine a city of 11 millions because it would be impossible. They are just limiting the effective transportation in a city 11 times bigger than madrid. Is de facto a quarantine. Someone can be stubborn and deny it as is not officially quarantine, or you can be wise and recognize that you learned something new as is not a competition.
No, you wont get a vaccine at least before 1 year apparently
https://www.brusselstimes.com/news-...east-one-year-health-emergency-beijing-wuhan/
I could clearly see several bodies fully covered over on the floor in the vid I watched a couple of days ago. If they were just sick people, their heads wouldn't be covered up. If you're saying it was a fake vid, then who knows?
On a side note these hospitals are getting thrown up quickly aren't they. Pretty impressive. Someone needs to tell the Tories given the figures and time scales we keep getting quoted about new hospitals in the UK.
Everyone knows. They’re not dead bodies on the floor killed by the virus.
Even thirty seconds of common sense tells someone that a country that is restricting the movement of millions of people in order to control a contagion.... Isn't going to leave a contagion in the hallway of a hospital.
Peoples prejudice against China (knowing or not) leads them to believe insane shit.
Maybe beacuse sometimes some of their insane shit is true (and sometimes not)
They're little more than porta cabins and will be taken down after virus subsides. Impressive, but they're not real hospitals.
more akin to mobile field hospitals - not sure if its civilian or army building them (machines looked civilian) but id guess the army would have more training in doing this to such timescales - the flip side is using the army might cause more panic which may be more problematic in terms of containment so perhaps they are using civilian contractors because of that?
Coronavirus is related to the common cold virus. We have put huge amounts of research into a 'cure' for the common cold for decades, whether by vaccine or treatment, and got nowhere. Decades, and still not got it.
I think the builders are civilian but they will be staffed by military medics. Either way, it's only a temporary structure.
How is airlifting expats out not completely ill-considered? Surely they should all be subject to the same quarantine regulations as everyone else in the area?
Just over 2800 confirmed cases, 81 deaths and 57 people discharged. 2.8 mortality rate. It has gone down from the 3% earlier. Positive news?
Sample size
Sample size what?
You also have to consider that the vast majority of deaths are in the overloaded Wuhan hospitals. In adequately resourced and prepared areas the rate will be even lower. It's still scary of course but something to be thankful for at least.
Yes, exactly what I said yesterday. I'm assuming (huge assumptiom) that those who are dying haven't received adequate care. Also, around the 20th death mark, most had underlying health issues.
The drop from 3% to 2.8% can be easily explained by an increase in sample size
I imagine they're suppressing the death figures by recording deaths from the coronavirus as deaths from other causes. They also have no idea of how many people have contracted the virus because those with mild symptoms haven't presented themselves to the authorities. Both variables are almost certainly unreliable. The amount of people being discharged is a good sign if those people were confirmed to have suffered from the coronavirus.
The mortality rate could be 0.1% but if it is extremely contagious and infects 5 billion people then a lot of people will die. One report the other day suggested the rate at which the virus was spreading was accelerating so just because it has "only" a 2.8% mortality rate doesn't mean much at present, without more information. I would also say we need to be careful intepreting any government statistics from China because they will do everything in their power to demonstrate they have the situation under control.
Ah yes, lets hope it keeps dropping.
Just checked out the Spanish flu and apparently that had a mortality rate of 10-20%.
The higher mortality rate might be down to advances in medicine though
The higher mortality rate might be down to advances in medicine though
It's generally agreed by medical experts that this virus isn't nearly as deadly as SARS, however it seems to be more contagious especially since it can be easily spread before symptoms even appear.
1291 new cases since yesterday in Hubei Province alone.
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://wjw.hubei.gov.cn/fbjd/dtyw/202001/t20200128_2015611.shtml
106 deaths in total now, 4000+ confirmed cases around the world. These numbers are expected to go up as the rest of China hasn't announced all their new figures for the day yet.
Don't want to be alarmist but that's a mighty big leap on yesterday.
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://wjw.hubei.gov.cn/fbjd/dtyw/202001/t20200128_2015611.shtml
106 deaths in total now, 4000+ confirmed cases around the world. These numbers are expected to go up as the rest of China hasn't announced all their new figures for the day yet.
Don't want to be alarmist but that's a mighty big leap on yesterday.
I agree, I answered someone that said that we would get a vaccine in a matter of days while the most optimistic says not before a year (or maybe never as you say)
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