BluesJr
Owns the moral low ground
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It’s exactly the time.While I agree with the concept, now really isnt the time.
It’s exactly the time.While I agree with the concept, now really isnt the time.
Because there are other consequences of shutting schools which administrators and leaders have to consider.
I get that, but with the way things are, I’d argue that in the long term it’d be even more expensive to keep them open and let the virus spread. And more importantly, more dangerous.Because then parents wont be able to work and the economic effects of this need to be considered.
I can understand schools not be closed, yet. It will happen though at some stage
Don't think it could be optional for most teachers. You would still need a certain amount of staff.Does that mean its optional for teachers as well? What happens if only 2 teachers turn up with 100 kids?
Your closer to solving this issue than boris appears to be anyway
Cheers, much appreciated.Not odd at all. At least some of what you're wondering is already known.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...na-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf
Only in Polish, it's everywhere, e.g. https://tvn24.pl/lodz/lodz-poltorar...go-pietra-jest-zakazona-koronawirusem-4354505That's horrific. Any links to this story?
Haha, always mate We're all working from home until further notice which frees up at least 2-3 hours of my day, so was really hoping to get a daily run fitted into my schedule in the next few weeks.Even on holiday
We have no system to pay this, no workers trained in it, we have no legislation to run with it. I agree people will need financial assistance, and alot but would be too difficult to sort it all out amid a pandemic and soon to be lock down.It’s exactly the time.
Thousands dying (and thousands more to come) and the economy tanking but at least you get to have a laugh at the Tories.Shut up.
Welcome aboard comrade Boris.
If it's true(Never rule out the stupidity of the tory party)the next few months are going to conservatives arguing ''well actually I loved the 1970's'' ''Nationalisation is simply trusting British people'' etc etc. If they weren't such a danger to all of us, I find the current situation pretty amusing.
Oh right- there's feck all there apart from nice hotels and beach (and grinding poverty outside that). We had a week there after safari a couple of years ago. feck me it was hot.Don't know. I haven't planned that trip at all yet. Just booked and paid.
That's not entirely true. The initial contact testing was successful buying us time. Are we actually doing worse with the outbreak than other similar countries in Europe?But for the general public in the UK that means trusting the UK government and science advisers to accurately assess when that ideal time is. The same government and science advisers who have already botched their initial response to the virus. It's a lot to ask.
Have Italy reported yet? What’s the actual numbers please?Very good news out of Italy, after a daily increase of 25% for most of last week, it went under 20% and is only at 13% today. Seems like they're flattening the curve.
It looks like everyone will be doing this much, much longer than that too.Despite being literally very isolated (on a rock in the Atlantic), our school has just closed, and we're being told no more large gatherings. Zero confirmed cases to date, seem to be doing the 'right' thing and being proactive.
My question though, thinking about friends that work at restaurants, in physios, at gyms etc - at what point is the cure worse than the disease? For me personally, this feels 'novel' and like the politicians are (finally) doing what the medical experts said is best for flattening the curve.
But surely that's only one aspect of running a country? If huge swathes of the workforce run out of money, at a time emergency services are fully overwhelmed, aren't we going to see a situation far worse than the worst-case corona virus forecasts?
I can't see countries doing this for 2 months. There's not even spare resource to go around, even with government bailouts and so forth.
Please keep political point scoring nonsense out of this This virus is way beyond party lines and is currently crippling countries around the world on the left and the right.
This is their chernobyl.I’m finding the stance that it’s somehow wrong to lay blame with China very odd.
The UK was following one strategy then realised just a few days ago that they had badly misjudged what was involved, prompting them to change course to become more in line with what other countries and the WHO had be recommending all along.That's not entirely true. The initial contact testing was successful buying us time. Are we actually doing worse with the outbreak than other similar countries in Europe?
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That's been the biggest question in all this. Trying to find the balance between fewest deaths because of the virus and fewest deaths because of the economy is the hardest thing. All the statistics seem to suggest though that if left to run it's own course, the number of deaths could be in the millions, partly directly from the virus and mostly from the sheer strain on health services.Despite being literally very isolated (on a rock in the Atlantic), our school has just closed, and we're being told no more large gatherings. Zero confirmed cases to date, seem to be doing the 'right' thing and being proactive.
My question though, thinking about friends that work at restaurants, in physios, at gyms etc - at what point is the cure worse than the disease? For me personally, this feels 'novel' and like the politicians are (finally) doing what the medical experts said is best for flattening the curve.
But surely that's only one aspect of running a country? If huge swathes of the workforce run out of money, at a time emergency services are fully overwhelmed, aren't we going to see a situation far worse than the worst-case corona virus forecasts?
I can't see countries doing this for 2 months. There's not even spare resource to go around, even with government bailouts and so forth.
No doubt coming from the PC crowd running around branding everything under the sun racist.I’m finding the stance that it’s somehow wrong to lay blame with China very odd.
I think the UK leaders clearly need to work on their communication. That much has become apparent in recent weeks. Whilst some of us are comfortable with their tone and their openness, others might appreciate stronger, decisive leadership and a little less information being shared.It's correct to say that timing is important on school closures and that it should happen neither too early nor too late.
But for the general public in the UK that means trusting the UK government and science advisers to accurately assess when that ideal time is. The same government and science advisers who have already botched their initial response to the virus. It's a lot to ask.
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24.747 to 27.980, lowest increase (% wise) since the beginning of the outbreak in February.Have Italy reported yet? What’s the actual numbers please?
Totally weird. Its directly their fault for how they operate those wet marketsI’m finding the stance that it’s somehow wrong to lay blame with China very odd.
Did people really hate on the Spanish for Spanish flu?I’m finding the stance that it’s somehow wrong to lay blame with China very odd.
At some point we will all have to face the fact that we are going to be seriously impacted. We will either be related to or know someone that dies from this. I am not fobbing this off but trying to put a true perspective on how we should view this.It's not that small of a chance when you factor in your age, gender, and the approach your government has taken to curtailing the spread. I wouldn't be fobbing it off as something that won't affect you.
I mean, I’m left leaning myself but I don’t think it’s racist to simply state that the origin of this virus is down to the extremely questionable open markets and the governments initial response to the outbreak.No doubt coming from the PC crowd running around branding everything under the sun racist.
It didn't look good but the initial phase was a success. I think we did much better than similar countries in that regard and I'm not aware that we're in a worse spot currently than those other nations. This situation is going to be incredibly drawn out and multifaceted with numerous variables affecting outcomes so I'll reserve my judgeent on how the government handles it for now.The UK was following one strategy then realised just a few days ago that they had badly misjudged what was involved, prompting them to change course to become more in line with what other countries and the WHO had be recommending all along.
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To my mind, that's a botch. Especially as such shifts in approach based on realities that had already seemed pretty clear to so many other countries, health bodies, scientists and doctors undermine confidence in any further measures.
Not to mention the initial cover up.Totally weird. Its directly their fault for how they operate those wet markets
Why would they do that?Did people really hate on the Spanish for Spanish flu?
Hang on @Prometheus and @Rado_N , my argument has never been "the UK or Swedish government is correct". My argument has been that they have been following the advice of their scientists and that should be commended, the fact that this new Imperial model has made the government change tune is surely a good thing? They are their advisors after all. That's what you do, you follow the science and I'm certain this will keep changing and adapting to the current situation as it has so far.Noooo.... @Regulus Arcturus Black is going to make 10 consecutive posts defending the government before he even reads the summary.
If china grounded all flights in and out right from the get go except to let people get home to their own country (who would then quarantine) this wouldnt have become worldwideNot to mention the initial cover up.
I've always been suspicious of these tiny devils. They probably created it in a lab trying to get rid of us all.
That's the spin of many newspapers and political commentators. One of the original authors of that report meanwhile said:The UK was following one strategy then realised just a few days ago that they had badly misjudged what was involved, prompting them to change course to become more in line with what other countries and the WHO had be recommending all along.
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To my mind, that's a botch. Especially as such shifts in approach based on realities that had already seemed pretty clear to so many other countries, health bodies, scientists and doctors undermine confidence in any further measures.
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It had nothing to do with Spain. Its actually believed to have started in either usa or franceDid people really hate on the Spanish for Spanish flu?
Absolutely on both of the bolded.It didn't look good but the initial phase was a success. I think we did much better than similar countries in that regard and I'm not aware that we're in a worse spot currently than those other nations. This situation is going to be incredibly drawn out and multifaceted with numerous variables affecting outcomes so I'll reserve my judgeent on how the government handles it for now.
I do blame the Tories for not funding the NHS properly previously though, although that's on Cameron and Osbourne.
I'm not sure if it's people trying too hard or what, but the fact I am close to losing everything thanks to this makes me a little less tolerant of the moral high ground on that one. However, I will say even after all that, I'm not going to blame the Chinese people. Those guys in those markets, that is their life. As soon as an actual racist feck like Trump calls it a Chinese virus, you know it's time to step back a little.I’m finding the stance that it’s somehow wrong to lay blame with China very odd.
What data points are you using to make that argument?I get that, but with the way things are, I’d argue that in the long term it’d be even more expensive to keep them open and let the virus spread. And more importantly, more dangerous.
There is indeed so much we need to learn.I think the UK leaders clearly need to work on their communication. That much has become apparent in recent weeks. Whilst some of us are comfortable with their tone and their openness, others might appreciate stronger, decisive leadership and a little less information being shared.
Even the best minds will "botch" a lot with the benefit of hindsight though, when trying to take the optimum path through this. Everyday we will learn more, which we only wish we knew a week ago. All the modelling, all the different particular models (not singular) from different institutions being used, will be refreshed whenever new data is available and plans will evolve each day factoring in lessons learned so far. This isn't just Boris Johnson, Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance sitting in a smoke-filled room. We have some of the world leading institutions shaping this. This is a good thread on it, but this still doesn't even really factor in the economic side of things, the importance of which is slowly dawning on people:
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There is no golden bullet out of this. Nobody has all the answers. People have widely praised Singapore's response and the intense measures they have taken, but if schools are your big bugbear, they never closed them either. Despite their more intense approach they are now seeing cases rising again despite their best efforts. That doesn't mean they are not following the optimal path. We just don't know.
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There's still so much that we need to learn:
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