The doom mongering in here is astonishing to me. How the feck can anyone know what the situation will be like in 4 months, that's a very big timeframe.
I agree with your view. Do think however that pubs will open again by the start of the summer, otherwise a lot of them will simply go out of business.
Yeah it's basically going to be a trial and error situation - they will release some lockdown measures with the warning of "Don't fecking make us do this again if we don't have to". If the crazy parties start straight away, boom, 3 more weeks of stricter lockdown. If people more or less behave, great. I think there's a majority in the country that would happily abide by some rules as long as some of their liberties are returned and they can start earning money again. Basically like rubbing a dog's nose in a puddle of its own urine.
As you said yourself, the government's aims for this lockdown haven't been achieved and that's probably because they're full of shit and don't have the capabilities at the moment to achieve those aims.
The doom mongering in here is astonishing to me. How the feck can anyone know what the situation will be like in 4 months, that's a very big timeframe.
I agree with your view. Do think however that pubs will open again by the start of the summer, otherwise a lot of them will simply go out of business.
Not trying to side with police actions but it seemed to me that the journalist wasn’t really helping himself by hanging around too! I have no idea why that lady was being charged but what was surprising is the lack of protective gear for the police officer taking her to the van.
That rubbing a dog’s nose in its own piss analogy is really weird and doesn’t remotely apply here.
So my understanding of their lack of sensitivity is that these tests may return a false negative, but there's no chance they will return a false positive? So they would be fail safe in a way - nobody who hasn't had it is going to be sent out thinking they're immune.
The lockdown won't last forever, but things will be on edge for a long while we figure out a way to stop it overwhelming the NHS. Lockdowns may be off and on for the next year, as needed to keep the virus under control.
Well either that or the government goes full Brazil and tells us all to get on with it and die quietly if we have to. Survival of the fittest and all that.
Oh I definitely agree that things won't be back to normal for quite some time, but some of the suggestions in here (i.e. lockdowns until 2021 I've seen mentioned) are just ridiculous. Once the peak in the UK is over, it's about managing the load for the NHS, and indeed not overwhelming should now be the priority. However, you have people going on "how can we have football in autumn when NHS resources are necessary for that" and that's just weird, because no one knows how the situation will be by then. I'd say we have much bigger fish to fry if by then 100% of NHS resources are still necessary to combat Covid-19.If the alternative is 10s of thousands, if not 100s of thousands more people dying then no the pubs won't be opening by the start of the summer.
It's not doom-mongering to say that it'll be a long time before things go back to normal. We're only at the start of this thing and there's no vaccine in sight so I'd say it's delusionally optimistic to think pubs will be open by the start of the summer.
It's a clumsy analogy and I don't think it's all that effective in dogs but I get what he means.
Well i am not sure filming an incident at a safe distance is considered an essential activity. The officers correctly pointed this out and the journalist looking for a story (a real shocker) indicated he was out for exercise but decided to film. I suppose everyone has a right to their opinion. I don’t see this particular incident as evidence of police infringing public rights. Perhaps there are incidences that show this but not this one imo.He was filming the arrest(While also standing at a safe distance), right ?
Strike while the iron is hot. I always suspected the government would take advantage of a crisis like this to slide in the odd change that, at present, will be for public good but beyond that will be for insidious reasons. Hopefully that's not the case but right now, we do need a harder approach like this (within fecking reason) as it's for the greater good.
Given that the Police are the ones enforcing the law in peacetimes, and that a number of the people becoming police due to its authoritative roles, the importance of clear national guidelines of how they operate is of utmost importance.
I'm sure countries will try to find such medium. I'm just not optimistic that they will work. It's very infectious and not even 1% of the population is immune now. It's likely we'll hit multiple peaks, some much bigger than this, while trying to find such medium.Point is so many so called experts are giving wildly different timeframes, I only linked that one cause that was the most recent I saw.
The only guarentee is we need to find a happy medium to somewhat cope with the virus, we don't know how long it will be prelevant to whatever degree, obviously in an ideal world the prophet is right but I don't think anyone banking on it.
Unless I'm wrong it's still legal to film in the UK ? Also standing still hasn't been made illegal, right ? It's not constant jumping jacks or go home(If he started jogging on the spot would that have made the situation better ?)I don't understand. The police are right. It doesn't matter that he is a journalist. He can either continue exercising or go home. He continued to try and argue with them that because he is journalist he has the right to stay? Why?
They've done exceptionally well but there's no way there won't be another lockdown after the restrictions are loosened. Many are in for a rude awakening.
It's easy to stop virtually everyone here, because it's such a small place. Two police officers can do it all. The lady I was waiting with actually said they wouldn't do this in Milan, because there's too many people!Its up and down here. We've had a lot more helicopters overhead the last few days and police checkpoints, but there also seems to be more people about.
I don't understand. The police are right in my opinion. It doesn't matter that he is a journalist. He can either continue exercising or go home. He continued to try and argue with them that because he is journalist he has the right to stay? Why?
Just read a bit more about guidelines and apparently Journalism is essential. I understand that but I don't see it essential for him to stay there in this scenario. I
All premised on him actually being a journalist;
- We absolutely do not want to go down a route that sees Police tell journalists they can’t bear witness to something and report on it.
The correct move would be for one copper to say;
“Please stand next to the van, film and document, but please move on when the ‘arrest’ concludes”
Any dilution of that is a dilution of freedom for zero upside.
Nice idea in theory. In reality though if you do that then you can't get all the money, and only all the money counts. Worst is that someone else might get some of the money: Stat modelling by Golden Balls University - Jasper Carrott.Lesson learnt: Next time there's even a hint of a novel deadly respiratory virus spreading around, we stop the spread at the beginning by taking the harshest measures early rather than try and play catch up to an exponentially growing monster.
Unless I'm wrong it's still legal to film in the UK ? Also standing still hasn't been made illegal, right ? It's not constant jumping jacks or go home(If he started jogging on the spot would that have made the situation better ?)
It seems to me anyways, that he was standing what looks like a safe distance away while filming an arrest and the police lost their shit(Resulting in them completely breaking the social distancing they are there to enforce)
All premised on him actually being a journalist;
- We absolutely do not want to go down a route that sees Police tell journalists they can’t bear witness to something and report on it.
The correct move would be for one copper to say;
“Please stand next to the van, film and document, but please move on when the ‘arrest’ concludes”
Any dilution of that is a dilution of freedom for zero upside.
Nice idea in theory. In reality though if you do that then you can't get all the money, and only all the money counts. Worst is that someone else might get some of the money: Stat modelling by Golden Balls University - Jasper Carrott.
Already £4million sponsorship for NHS raised by 99 year old man:
https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/tomswalkforthenhs
https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/tomswalkforthenhs
https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/tomswalkforthenhs
Uk fudging the numbers?
We have discovered evidence that at least one NHS trust is gently discouraging doctors from giving Covid-19 as a cause of death. https://t.co/9S3dH6G1nX
Oh I definitely agree that things won't be back to normal for quite some time, but some of the suggestions in here (i.e. lockdowns until 2021 I've seen mentioned) are just ridiculous. Once the peak in the UK is over, it's about managing the load for the NHS, and indeed not overwhelming should now be the priority. However, you have people going on "how can we have football in autumn when NHS resources are necessary for that" and that's just weird, because no one knows how the situation will be by then. I'd say we have much bigger fish to fry if by then 100% of NHS resources are still necessary to combat Covid-19.
I don't think it's delusionally optimistic to think pubs will be open by summer. There'll be restrictions in place but normal life will resume. If they don't get any business at all during the whole summer, they're gone, simple as that. After cancelling all "major events" until August 31 yesterday, the Belgian government added that there'll be a mimimum number of persons to be determined who falls into that category. Which indicates to me at least that some kind of social activities will have been resumed by summer too.
Not if you manage your exit strategy well and people adhere to the "lesser restrictions" with which people should be able to live for a much longer period of time. I think it's obvious to everyone that it definitely won't be "plain sailing" like it used to be after that first peak.The peak you are referring to is only the first peak. It's not all plain sailing after that.
Once you lift restrictions there'll be a second peak and third etc, etc.
Without a vaccine I can't see a situation where there won't be some level of restrictions this time next year.
Not if you manage your exit strategy well and people adhere to the "lesser restrictions" with which people should be able to live for a much longer period of time. I think it's obvious to everyone that it definitely won't be "plain sailing" like it used to be after that first peak.
That's very much worst case scenario at this point. It's unlikely the virus will go away but eventually the country will learn to live with it because there is just simply no other choice that doesn't involve extreme long term poverty which will make this virus look harmless by comparison. Even now with the peak either here or close less than 200 out of every million are dying, ultimately there's more chance of dying on the road (probably even a plane for under 30s) it's only a matter of time before the majority of people start looking at that and playing to percentages instead of the worst case scenario, especially once the numbers go vastly down.I'm sure countries will try to find such medium. I'm just not optimistic that they will work. It's very infectious and not even 1% of the population is immune now. It's likely we'll hit multiple peaks, some much bigger than this, while trying to find such medium.
I think the Merkel video from yesterday explains how difficult that will be really well. If each person gives it to 1 other (i.e the status quo with current restrictions) it's manageable, if each person gives it to 1.1 their health service would be at capacity in August, one person gives it to 1.3 it would be overwhelmed in June.
The rate of infection without restrictions is estimated between 4 to 6 per person now so any lifting of restrictions is going to be risky.
I spoke to a mate this morning who’s a paramedic in London. He said it’s absolutely brutal at the moment.
He said it’s the other deaths not directly attributed to the Coronavirus that are not getting reported at all that are just as worrying.
If you have a heart attack or are involved in a serious accident you’re basically fecked as it’s taking over half an hour to get through to the emergency services Let alone get them too you.
Awful times.
Germany can do things with that high accuracy because of the testing. For us, we have nowhere near the testing capacity of Germany so we'll be lifting the restrictions without as much in hand information compared to them. Argh.
Why can't we improve on the testing?
On this topic, what are considered to be the real epicentres in the UK at the moment?
London, obviously, but is there any other specific cities or regions that have been badly hit? i have mates in Yorkshire who say Sheffield is bad?
All premised on him actually being a journalist;
- We absolutely do not want to go down a route that sees Police tell journalists they can’t bear witness to something and report on it.
The correct move would be for one copper to say;
“Please stand next to the van, film and document, but please move on when the ‘arrest’ concludes”
Any dilution of that is a dilution of freedom for zero upside.
Unless I'm wrong it's still legal to film in the UK ? Also standing still hasn't been made illegal, right ? It's not constant jumping jacks or go home(If he started jogging on the spot would that have made the situation better ?)
It seems to me anyways, that he was standing what looks like a safe distance away while filming an arrest and the police lost their shit(Resulting in them completely breaking the social distancing they are there to enforce)
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.cyc...-safe-distancing-while-exercising-goes-viral/After years of commuting I have moved close to work and have cycled to work for more than 6 months and I haven't had even a sniffle in that time unlike previously when minor colds were frequent. So while viruses could be caught by cycling behind an infected person it is likely far less risky than using public transport.
Not to mention how good she is at being direct and explaining things well unlike our government.
Also been told exactly the same from my 2 sisters who both work in London NHS hospitals right now.I spoke to a mate this morning who’s a paramedic in London. He said it’s absolutely brutal at the moment.
He said it’s the other deaths not directly attributed to the Coronavirus that are not getting reported at all that are just as worrying.
If you have a heart attack or are involved in a serious accident you’re basically fecked as it’s taking over half an hour to get through to the emergency services Let alone get them too you.
Awful times.
