VVD is a clearly better defender. Has Real ever even had a decent defence?
Overrated or not every top CB has had their moments. Vidic vs Torres for instance.
He probably has missed a whole season worth of football through suspensions as well.
He had to balance out his lack of injuries to get some free time from football
Defending is a small part of the CB's role nowadays. Plus it's not his fault they concede so many goals. He makes up for it with his leadership
K. Had Ramos come to Pool instead of VVD would Liverpool be in the early 20s for league goals conceded? It is clear Cristiano was the reason for Real' s success. No matter how much they spend on new players most top sides will think they can beat them now
I'm disappointed in you. You of all people should know.
You know what? You are right. When you consider that he enjoyed similar success with Spain, WITHOUT Cristiano then he should get much more credit. A lot of the reason Spain could play how they did was because they knew they had a tough but handsom (in a young Stalin kinda way) lynchpin behind them. When Sergio 1st came to Real he cockily told them "your defence is sorted now". He started dismally at RB and was jeered, but who had the last laugh aye? who? Sergio did. #respect
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Think he is being sarcastic. He is not a big fan of Ramos.
Ah, okay.
The thing about it is if he weren't all that, Real would of just replaced him. Same with Spain. In the list of best CB of all time you have the likes of Baresi and Maldini in there over Ferdninand because Rio could not match their international successes and has 1 champions league trophy. Ramos matches their international and European successes so his name has to be in the mix. It sounds crazy but on paper it would be illogical not to include him, especially if you are too young to have seen Baresi play.
He’s bottled three of his biggest penalties to be fair.Yep, he clearly feels at home on the pitch infront of millions of people.
If I had 1 penalty to win the world cup final i'd 100% give it to him. He'd probably Panenka it too
Ramos is not in the class of Maldini and Baresi. Doesn't mean hes not a legend, but those guys perfected the art of defending. Watching Ramos over the years doesn't give you that same impression.
Ramos had to face off against Messi.....that's why. Otherwise he's right up there with the Maldini's and Baresi's. He would of been replaced otherwise.
Completely agree. His number one job is to defend. Goals from a defender are a bonus. He should be judged on his main duty and that's to stop goals. And as a defender, he is average at best. He's a Spanish David Luiz...
Ramos plays Messi 2 to 3 times a season, what about the other 50 plus games he plays? Ramos isnt and wont go down in history as one of the best 5 centre backs of all time, Maldini and Baresi are considered so by many people. Too many flaws in Ramos game. How many reds in his career?
He's always been an error prone defender. Goals and theatrics make him appear better than he actually is.
No doubt he was nothing like Maldini but maybe your definition of "defending" needs to be expanded to account for modern tactics
... where he still doesn't defend
As per the definition of defending from Baresi's era. And yet people keep playing him in defence. Something doesn't add up for sure...
Especially given how he was the entire reason why we didn't lose 7-1 in amsterdam
Spain copypastes peak Barcelona team with 8/11 starting players and you think Ramos was the key? Ok then.
