Letting Saka take the final one is unforgivable, he had Grealish there and sent a kid instead. A lesson in what not to do in penalties for all managers.
Southgate set Rashford and Sancho up for a fall.
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Let alone the fact that the press will rub it in all season that our players cost England the EC.
This. I’m not English, just pretty obvious really when you have other options.
Terrible prep and choices for penalties from Southgate.
We brought in Mata.. compare that to the others
If Grealish was from the start, there could be no penalties and he would frustrate the living dogpiss out of Italians. It was a perfect game for him.
Penalties are a bitch and even Kane missed one.
Southgate should be responsible for not utilising his best talents over 90 minutes of football. Imagine putting on an Arsenal youth to win you a final
Finally I feel I'm not in a bizarro world, and people are seeing Southgate for the fraud that he is. The only reason I didnt want England to win is his anti-football style while having the best attack in the world. It really grates me.
I dunno man. That’s about 200 million quids worth of footballers. They should be better from that far out.
I do understand he brought them on cold and he didn’t use his attacking options but common sense says give those penalties to attackers. If they’d scored he’d be a genius and they’d be the hero
Play Sancho, win 4-0, bench him, bring him on and make him have his first touch of the ball as a penalty in the final of the European Championships. Legend of a manager. 10 more years!
Internet fans gotta internet, I guess. I bet a fair few idiots would've been frothing at the mouth in 1998, without the internet to abuse Beckham.
I am no expert, but I texted my brother as they were coming on “do you think it’s a good idea to bring on two players completely cold to take a pen!??”
He has lost the shootout and destroyed three players confidence in one swoop!
I think you're over rating him, but that seems to be a familiar theme on here.
Nonsense. If Grealish had Mounts minutes he'd have produced something.
Can’t believe ‘Player of the tournament’ Sterling and Golden boy Grealish didn’t take penalties ahead of two young lads that barely got to kick the ball before having to take a penalty.
Grealish can't hold on the ball and try to draw a foul when taking a pen.
Talented player but he is not the messiah and he might have issues playing with other talented attackers, bit like(but not as good) as late Chelsea Hazard, holds the ball for too long.
Talented player but he is not the messiah and he might have issues playing with other talented attackers, bit like(but not as good) as late Chelsea Hazard, holds the ball for too long.
100% true
I don't doubt that but it still doesn't make him any less overrated. The way he is cheered and loved, he's achieved nothing of note to deserve this kinda hype
Saka had a bad time.
Rashford and Sancho could not even acclimatize themselves to the game before they had to take a pen.
If I remember correctly, the pen was their second touch each.
Ridiculous move.
Rashford and Sancho could not even acclimatize themselves to the game before they had to take a pen.
If I remember correctly, the pen was their second touch each.
Ridiculous move.
Horrible trick to pull on Rashford and Sancho. No time to kick the ball never mind get the feel of it. Just awful.
Asking Saka to do the fifth was pathetic as well. He wasn't even playing well and bubbling over with confidence - he was just there.
Asking Saka to do the fifth was pathetic as well. He wasn't even playing well and bubbling over with confidence - he was just there.
Pretty standard to put your best penalty taker up first
Really managed that game wrong - real shame as had got everything correct up until tonight - I knew as soon as I saw the line up I knew we were gonna be under pressure - we got lucky very early but after that we did nothing - their goal was always coming and we never made any subs until it was too late - and I’m afraid Horrenderson was a really bad call…..Gareth let that game get away from him - too worried to take off the likes of Sterling or Mount - no real plan B - as for the penalty taking selection then that was in excusable - real big opportunity missed… but the better team won…..unfortunately
Stupid decision by Southgate. If Italy had scored from the last corner he would have been blamed.
Yeah exactly. Poor management.
Losing pens is a lottery but he’s killed three players confidence needlessly. Saka looks devastated.
It’s going to be hard for people to criticise Southgate but that’s an obvious point which will get ignored, although to be fair in the past making subs at the last minute hasn’t really resulted in the players missing.
My biggest gripe is that England are overall the better team with the better players and better squad depth. And I feel Southgate cost us the final by underestimating his players and respecting the Italian team too much.
I’d have much rather seen us play to win, attack their old defence, interchange and move. But instead we saw our attackers stay in their sides, rarely saw Stirling or Mount cut inside or swap sides. And with the Italian CB’s not under pressure it allowed Verratti and Jorginho to focus further forward.
My biggest gripe is that England are overall the better team with the better players and better squad depth. And I feel Southgate cost us the final by underestimating his players and respecting the Italian team too much.
I’d have much rather seen us play to win, attack their old defence, interchange and move. But instead we saw our attackers stay in their sides, rarely saw Stirling or Mount cut inside or swap sides. And with the Italian CB’s not under pressure it allowed Verratti and Jorginho to focus further forward.
I said to my English mate, bet you Southgate goes five at the back and concede possession.
Especially frustrating when Spain showed how you can pin them back if you press them.
Saka was set up to fail. Sancho and Rashford should have done better.
For Southgate to take of hendo and walker leaving grealish and Sterling on, he had to think they'd be hitting a pen surely?
Southgate did put them late, and didn't have balls to make the subs and win the game in the regulation. Sancho and Rashford choked. Southgate didn't set them for failure. Poor choice to have Saka take last penalty.
They are kids. It’s a huge amount of pressure for one kick of the ball considering the circumstances.
I agree with your second point though, he would be getting a ton of praise if they scored but unfortunately that sort of fickle reaction comes with being a manager.
The most confusing thing was taking Trippier off. He is a automatic pick for a peno, so why take him off in a final. He wasn't exactly blowing out of his arse at the time. Walker was playing well and we did need to switch the formation but their were others he could've taken off.
Additionally, pretty sure Mount it a penalty taker for Chelsea in shootouts. So, Sterling could've/should've gone off instead for Grealish as he wasn't doing anything either.
Ya they could have taken better penalties but Sterling & Grealish hid from the pressure & the moment while Marcus and Jadon took it on
It's shocking. What are the FA bosses going to do about this? Are they happy with this? Is this what they want all the investment in training and facilities to come down to?
Can't wait for Rashford and Sancho to smash the Premier League and show Southgate what a muppet he is.
You won't be having a team playing like that when they go one up early on if it's under a top manager who plays good football. Coward of a manager that's got found out.
Nah, they all just bottled it.
Just the idea of bringing on players ONLY to take a penalty in the biggest game of their lives.... Its just crazy.
Rashford I kinda get, he's taken and scored huge pens before and he would have scored had he not miskicked it (though he probably did that due to being cold/under pressure)... But even still, bring them on with 10 minutes to go, make them feel part of the game. Warm them up etc.
The way he did... Its too much.
Rashford I kinda get, he's taken and scored huge pens before and he would have scored had he not miskicked it (though he probably did that due to being cold/under pressure)... But even still, bring them on with 10 minutes to go, make them feel part of the game. Warm them up etc.
The way he did... Its too much.
You can add saka to being thrown under the bus, you had to be blind and stupid to not realise the moment saka was subbed on that the stage was too much pressure for him to handle, constant terrible heavy first touches, struggled to control the ball, ran around like a headless chicken and was afraid to take on players.
Not sure Sancho chocked so much, the Rashford one was worse as he had already sat the GK down and just needed to roll it to the other side. No need to go for the corner.
Tbh, I am not a fan of players coming on late to take a penalty. I remember Anelka saying that he got put on in 2008 for that and felt he wasn't ready as he didn't have a feel for the ball. Looked the same way tonight.
Sterling hiding is something I can understand because if he missed, you can just imagine what would happen.
But Grealish? What's the excuse there? It's hard to believe really.
Thing is, he is probably the most likable footballer going. No way should he have been made to go up 5th ffs.