Given he took off Walker and had Rashford at RB, couldn't have played that for too long.
It's just one of those things that didn't go our way.
It's just one of those things that didn't go our way.
Southgate set Rashford and Sancho up for a fall.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Anderson put it away like a boss though
Really I have seen better management at non league clubs .Southgate the saviour of english football you are having a laugh.
Second half we might as wellhave not turned up.Italy 2 centre backs aged 35 ,do play pace no .Southgate is playing football
like Italy did in the 1980s Entertainment is not on Southgates radar.
Cw122dg
Second half we might as wellhave not turned up.Italy 2 centre backs aged 35 ,do play pace no .Southgate is playing football
like Italy did in the 1980s Entertainment is not on Southgates radar.
Cw122dg
True. However, it is clown management sending two players on without a real warm up for two minutes at the end to take penos.Anderson put it away like a boss though
It's funny how he gets on the pitch and suddenly there's a chance of Jorghinho getting a red card after stomp.
He's not Ronaldinho, but he definitely is an impact player.
It was way too much, I knew it’d happen and posted it the second he had them ready to come on.
Taking a pen cold when you’ve spent 120 on a bench and not even had a real touch of a ball is a fecking nightmare, doing it in the biggest game of your life when you’re already fuming at a cowardly manager who won’t even give you 15 minutes is just beyond horrendous.
He utterly fecked them, threw them right under the bus.
Hes taking a right back off and leaving Sterling and grealish on, he must be thinking they'd hit one?
There was some study that suggested putting your best penalty taker as the third taker is the best move
Yeah agree
There is no excuses for those terrible penalties. They simply had the chance to win cup for England. They are too young so not critical about them but the excecution of those penalties were terrible whatever way you look at.
Sterling is not exactly the cleanest striker of the ball even as a regular scorer, not surprised to see him absent from the first 5.
Saka has been full of confidence. Sancho buzzing after getting his dream move. Rashford probably belting them in blindfolded in training.
At the end of the day, Donnarumma is the best keeper on the planet, a 6'5 giant and just the sight of him is enough to intimidate. He saved from experienced assassin Morata in the Semi final to see Italy through.
At the end of the day, Donnarumma is the best keeper on the planet, a 6'5 giant and just the sight of him is enough to intimidate. He saved from experienced assassin Morata in the Semi final to see Italy through.
The amount some clubs have paid for them is out of their control and doesn't mean anything for them other than adding a layer of pressure they probably hate.
If you want to turn this into a money conversation, there'a s bunch of players in that England team that have earned way more in their careers than Sancho, Rashford or Saka and that's usually a better way to value the experience of a player. Grealish, Shaw, Stones, Sterling and even Henderson have made millions in the game and that's money that goes tied to their performances, they're the ones that should've taken penalties when a title is on the line.
I agree, but that is why he is always a sub. I do like him but some people are talking about if he had started it would've been prime Messi time and we would've walked the final.
Quality control
ahahhaahhahaha
To be fair, Fergie did the same with a 20-year-old Anderson. Though he was only the sixth taker, not one of the 'normal' five.
Really? If you want to turn this into a money conversation then I’d say to you that Rashford and Sancho are probably the two highest paid players in the whole squad already right now. At 21 and 23. They are already being paid more than their more experienced counterparts. I get the point you’re trying to make but if you wan to play it like that it falls short. They are amongst the highest paid players in the country. They should be pretty reliable for a penalty if they volunteer to take one.
Will they get booed across the country this upcoming season?
I wasn't talking about his management of the game.Southgate should be responsible for not utilising his best talents over 90 minutes of football. Imagine putting on an Arsenal youth to win you a final
He's always been a terrible manager who England were doing well in spite off, but he didn't set up Sancho and Rashford to fail. If anything, he trusted two of his best penalty takers, and they failed to deliver.
They barely had a touch all tourney.
Fair enough they have the technique to score the pen but they were well out of match practice.
At least Henderson didn't take one
Fair enough they have the technique to score the pen but they were well out of match practice.
At least Henderson didn't take one
Damning on both players that Southgate thought all they could offer the team was one kick from 12 yards. If players were that out of form, I wouldn’t have them anywhere near a penalty kick and even worse when you haven’t even had a touch of the football. Mystifying from Southgate. Shame after a brilliant tournament too.
He didin't even play that much on this tournament to make any impact whatsoever, but he did it anyway.
He's the kind of player to avoid penalty shootout and conjure something up before the nerve wracking.
It was farcical from the beginning as they almost didn’t get on in time then England almost conceded from the corner because they weren’t organised. And Rashford was having to play as a RB.
Fair point, I guess they probably weren't keen to take one for whatever reason.
True, and we just did it with Mata and Telles (though they've both been around the block) but I dunno, the weight of the nation on your shoulders and all that
Sancho was great the last game he played. I would have had him on instead of Saka. God help us that we might try to win it without penalties.
A Symbolic performance of the trainer for the entire tournament. With the exception of a bad German team, they didn't have a real opponent.
It's on both players, particularly Rashy, for poor pens and obviously they must have stood up to take one. They're young men but they're grown, experienced players who have to take a share of responsibility.
That said Gareth's just stuck his hand up in a BBC interview, the decisions around pens are on him and personally I'm more inclined to give him pelters over game-management more generally and not stepping in when it fell to Saka to save it for England.
That said Gareth's just stuck his hand up in a BBC interview, the decisions around pens are on him and personally I'm more inclined to give him pelters over game-management more generally and not stepping in when it fell to Saka to save it for England.
We played well for 30 minutes and pretty much shut up shop after that. Loads of talent on the bench that we were particularly slow to bring on, very little ambition shown tonight. The better team won.
Imagine bringing on two players who’ve barely featured all tournament to take a penalty in the European final with their first kick of the ball.
Imagine bringing on two players who’ve barely featured all tournament to take a penalty in the European final with their first kick of the ball.
Complete bollocks. You come on to score your penalties. They choked.
i’m surprised how good 2021 southgate tastes in my mouth compared to how good 1996 southgate feels in my arse.
Yep. He's let Saka down too
nah. that’s exactly the kind of shit that got us in to this. you don’t put that on kids.
True, I said Southgate would get found out today as much as it pains me.
Agreed that Sterling should have come off - I understand leaving him on when Italy are pushing for an equalizer given his pace on counters but once it was clear Italy would be happy with 1-1 having technical options in front of the defense would have been way more beneficial.
And yes you're correct - Mount is one of our regular penalty takers. It was very odd that Southgate seemed to completely forget that penalties were an option - he didn't seem to have properly thought through his subs all things considered.
You only play Rashford etc at RB to make room for pen takers. If Sterling and Jack arent taking one then theres no point in doing that, just sub those 2 off.
Mind boggling decision.
Mind boggling decision.
I really hope that this ending won't affect Sancho and Rashy too much for the new season because if it is we're fecked. Southgate you bloody twat.
Mount has only ever taken 1 pen for you.
Don't care about Southgate. He's bottled it for the country and the loss is squarely on him.
I'm more worried about Sancho and Rashford and the inevitable abuse that will follow them for the next weeks/months.
I'm more worried about Sancho and Rashford and the inevitable abuse that will follow them for the next weeks/months.