That hit is brutal, even by NFL standards.
State of the refs in this country
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Shambolic, an utter shambles. That challenge on Mctominay is deserving of a long ban, no attempt to get the ball and jumped into his head.
Why isn't that getting retrospective action?
Why isn't that getting retrospective action?
Well then you’re fool because you don’t know the rules. Actually, it wasn’t a penalty as Lukaku pushed a defender before the incident (so the VAR would give a free-kick to them anyway), but that’s really not the point here. The attack on McTominay was violent and cowardly.It funny how everyone seems to be the best referee. Refereeing has been always the same, mistakes come and go.
I think the ref was okay today, got almost all the fouls right. He could have given a yellow or two more Huddersfield though. And the penalty people are moaning here about, no I don't thinks its a penalty.
Please explain your reasoning why you don’t think it’s a penalty? Do you think that’s a foul anywhere else on the pitch?It funny how everyone seems to be the best referee
I think the ref was okay today, got almost all the fouls right. He could have given a yellow or two more Huddersfield though. And the penalty people are moaning here about, no I don't thinks its a penalty.
If this is your genuine opinion and not a poor attempt at WUMming, then your username accurately reflects your brain capacity.It funny how everyone seems to be the best referee
I think the ref was okay today, got almost all the fouls right. He could have given a yellow or two more Huddersfield though. And the penalty people are moaning here about, no I don't thinks its a penalty.
If everybody's a best ref around here, you're literally the worst.It funny how everyone seems to be the best referee
I think the ref was okay today, got almost all the fouls right. He could have given a yellow or two more Huddersfield though. And the penalty people are moaning here about, no I don't thinks its a penalty.
That was in the 1st half, it did obviously change in the 2nd half.Say what??
Because diving is a much bigger crime according to English pundits.
Demoted? He should be let go.
The game today was absolutely shambolic. Huddersfield kept kicking out Sanchez under the protection of the ref it was hilarious. They should have had 1 or 2 red cards with another penalty if we're talking fair and square.
Yeah sure......not playing the ball, putting a NFL style hit to a players head, never a foulIt funny how everyone seems to be the best referee
I think the ref was okay today, got almost all the fouls right. He could have given a yellow or two more Huddersfield though. And the penalty people are moaning here about, no I don't thinks its a penalty.
I don't know, what do you reckon the level is in League 1 or further down. I wouldn't think it's up to much given the level of Prem refs.
Think the premier league should have their own referees and break away from the referee association. Sign the best officials world wide and triple their pay to get the best. Poor performers get dropped and their contracts not renewed. Stop subsidising hopeless refs foisted upon the premier league by the FA.
Yeah well you are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Usually it's just silly to blame referees but it happens here quite often, even though the real reason for struggling would be somewhere else (today is not the case). It's always good to debate though.
Kongolo lined up McT and then merc'd him...clear fecking pen.
Yeah, because we don't have any threads covering our other problems and it's always about the referees.
Ok.
Attwell was absolutely appalling today. Right up there with performances by Oliver and Atkinson against us. The assault on McTominay should have been a straight red and a penalty, Sanchez should have had a penalty too in the first half. According to the BBC, Sanchez won seven free kicks, the most by a player in the PL this season. What they omitted to state of course, is the much higher number of free kicks he should have had, as Huddersfoul's tactics were simple - kick and foul Sanchez at every opportunity. The official foul count against Huddersfield, according to the BBC was 19. A competent referee would have given double that and sent two of their players off. Even more ridiculous was Sanchez getting booked for the one foul he committed in the match, near the half way line. Not to mention Attwell's laughable errors regarding goal kicks and corners - twice being bailed out by a linesman.
Good job we won the match, I can't imagine how I would feel had Attwell allowed Huddersfield to kick us off the park and get a win.
Good job we won the match, I can't imagine how I would feel had Attwell allowed Huddersfield to kick us off the park and get a win.
There was another wild two-footed lunge right before the first goal in the Brighton-West Ham game. Perhaps if the ref hadn't given advantage, from which a goal resulted, it would have been red but I doubt it. It's bizarre how English refereeing has been regressing lately when it comes to punishing reckless challenges. Stretched-leg tackles on ankles, raised foot tackles on knees, two-footed lunges, NFL-barges... none of it ends with a deserved dismissal. Attackers are pretty much fair game at the moment and players know it.
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And red card for endangering the player
Looked like something out of AFL.
Reffing at all levels in uk football is appalling no matter what level. The decision by the ref not to give a pen just about sums up the whole 'profession' .
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Outside of the premier league and championship referees are semi pros. It's crazy. The players are still fully fledged professionals, and will devote their days to training and working on fitness. The refs, however, will be approaching the game after a full working week, and will have to find the time to work on their own abilities and fitness.
Making refs in league 1, league 2, even the conference professional would drastically improve the officiating at lower levels, and would give us a far wider pool of referees to pick from for the top flight. How many gems do we have lurking in the lower leagues that haven't had the time and resources to realise their potential? It's not as if the FA don't have the money to accommodate it.
As an aside, despite the frequent errors made by our officials, they are still widely regarded the best in the world.
They all look out of shape. We all know the PL is the fastest league in the world but they seriously all look shagged out once they’ve caught up with play.
Worse than that was performances like yesterday! That 1st half was some of the worst refereeing I’ve ever seen.
Worse than that was performances like yesterday! That 1st half was some of the worst refereeing I’ve ever seen.
It would have probably been flagged in the NFL!Yeah sure......not playing the ball, putting a NFL style hit to a players head, never a foul
Taking over from Uriah Rennie...
He didn't have a clue in the first half.
Billing should have had a yellow early on for a hefty challenge on McTominay. It was a worse challenge than what Sanchez got booked for just before half time which I was fine with as a yellow.
van La Parra fouled Valencia twice after he'd been beaten and Valencia was in behind him, running into space. That's a standard yellow card every time it happens these days and he didn't book him.
Gave us a corner when Lingard almost fell over the ball and put it out for what should have been a goal kick.
Gave them a goal kick when their defender toe-poked it behind for a corner when challenging Valencia.
The obvious penalty incident.
I'm not even sure there was nay contact when he did book Billing, but it was wild, he was attempting to trip and not the play the ball, plus he'd already had the other foul mentioned up above.
It was mental to watch. Was relatively ok in the second half.
Billing should have had a yellow early on for a hefty challenge on McTominay. It was a worse challenge than what Sanchez got booked for just before half time which I was fine with as a yellow.
van La Parra fouled Valencia twice after he'd been beaten and Valencia was in behind him, running into space. That's a standard yellow card every time it happens these days and he didn't book him.
Gave us a corner when Lingard almost fell over the ball and put it out for what should have been a goal kick.
Gave them a goal kick when their defender toe-poked it behind for a corner when challenging Valencia.
The obvious penalty incident.
I'm not even sure there was nay contact when he did book Billing, but it was wild, he was attempting to trip and not the play the ball, plus he'd already had the other foul mentioned up above.
It was mental to watch. Was relatively ok in the second half.
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The Mctominay incident is a red card in rugby let alone football. Should have been a penalty too. You need to kill somebody to be red carded for violent conduct it seems this season.
@GifLord any chance you could pull up that talk between lino and Moss for the first penalty? It was quite a close up and the lino was instructing some absolute bullshit to Moss, I really hope I understood something wrong there or misheard him.
Would love the FA to explain how their refs don't call the challenge on McTominay a foul and penalty but do the kick from Van Dijk on Lamela
Is it simply the case that McTominay plays for United and Lamela plays for the league's darling Spurs?
Is it simply the case that McTominay plays for United and Lamela plays for the league's darling Spurs?
Says "I have no idea if Lovren has touched the ball" then proceeds to give the penalty.
The state of it
The state of it
The lino said that right? Moss knew he touched therefore onside.
The linesman told the ref Kane was offside, he said “he’s offside, but if Lovren touched the ball it’s a penalty. I couldn’t see it.”
Great refereeing tbh. I’d quite like refs to be mic’ed up like in the NFL.
Some actual good refereeing by the linesman. Now if we can replace all the refs with machines ...
The second penalty is a correct call. He gets kicked in the shin by the £75M-flopp.
Man, that explanation was nebulous. Sorry, but for first pen call, the whole offside thing, does not make sense. Surely, the player is actively affecting the game when the ball goes towards him and he's running off the last defender.
Neither penalty should have been given.
Kane offside for the first.
The second was a clear dive.
Kane offside for the first.
The second was a clear dive.
I don't know the ruling but wasn't the lino (for the first pen) saying if the Liverpool player touched it then it's not offside or something?
I'd still say it is obviously but if the rule is that then it's correct to be given
I'd still say it is obviously but if the rule is that then it's correct to be given
We need to mic these refs up. It's so much fun.