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To be honest, I don't know man. There's so many regulations that are alien to me, limiting stock? banning reloader? Maybe you know more about this.

To be honest, principality aside. I do love guns, if money is not an object I'd love to have a john wick weapon room. I love to probably reassemble them, play around with them, taking them to range etc.
It's ok, an honest mistake. I will first say that the vast majority of guns are highly dangerous. Anything bigger than the two main rimfire cartridges is very deadly. Magazine capacity, and concealability are two things that might be considered from a control persepctive, but that poses a problem in the US where concealed carry is allowed. Limiting modifcations can also help but I understand the ATF has a lot in place there. For America, federal background checks and prosecuting people who leave loaded guns lying around unattended leading to an accidental shooting would be a good start.
 

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It's ok, an honest mistake. I will first say that the vast majority of guns are highly dangerous. Anything bigger than the two main rimfire cartridges is very deadly. Magazine capacity, and concealability are two things that might be considered from a control persepctive, but that poses a problem in the US where concealed carry is allowed. Limiting modifcations can also help but I understand the ATF has a lot in place there. For America, federal background checks and prosecuting people who leave loaded guns lying around unattended leading to an accidental shooting would be a good start.
Or

Just ban them all and set fire to the 2A.
 

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Just ban them all and set fire to the 2A.
:lol: the US is too perverted to do anything that drastic to the Constitution. After what we saw leaading up to January 6th, at this point I feel a blanket ban would likely lead to all out civil war.

I've always advocated for baby steps in the US. Making people store their guns safely would at least limit accidental shootings and many suicides (by firearm), which would have a massive impact on the number of gun related deaths each year.
 

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:lol: the US is too perverted to do anything that drastic to the Constitution. After what we saw leaading up to January 6th, at this point I feel a blanket ban would likely lead to all out civil war.

I've always advocated for baby steps in the US. Making people store their guns safely would at least limit accidental shootings and many suicides (by firearm), which would have a massive impact on the number of gun related deaths each year.
Unfortunately I have to agree. The literal nothingburger that was the reply to Sandy Hook is all the proof you need that people value their guns more than the lives of children. I bet if you asked most of the 2A loving Americans if they would give up their guns to save the life a child they would say no. Even if you increased that number to 100 they would say no, and for some of them the answer would still be no if the child was there own.
 

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Unfortunately I have to agree. The literal nothingburger that was the reply to Sandy Hook is all the proof you need that people value their guns more than the lives of children. I bet if you asked most of the 2A loving Americans if they would give up their guns to save the life a child they would say no. Even if you increased that number to 100 they would say no, and for some of them the answer would still be no if the child was there own.
Yep. They would say if they had a gun then they could protect their child. Better yet give the kids guns, too.
 

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Yep. They would say if they had a gun then they could protect their child. Better yet give the kids guns, too.
It is such a logical fallacy.

Bubba: The only thing that can protect my child from being shot in a school mass shooting would be me at work 50 miles away with a gun.
Me: But what if no one had guns and so no one could shoot your child?
Bubba: Would never work.
 

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Yesterday was an interesting day. On this side of the Atlantic you had Bojo dodging questions, mired in his own sleaze, and lashing out like a spoiled child. On the other side of the Atlantic you had Biden giving, what I thought, was an ambitious and inspiring address to Congress.
"Trickle-down economics has never worked." This from an American President. A $1.8 trillion plan funded by raising taxes on millionaires and billionaires. It's only words just now but I hope he's able to accomplish it all.
 

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It's ok, an honest mistake. I will first say that the vast majority of guns are highly dangerous. Anything bigger than the two main rimfire cartridges is very deadly. Magazine capacity, and concealability are two things that might be considered from a control persepctive, but that poses a problem in the US where concealed carry is allowed. Limiting modifcations can also help but I understand the ATF has a lot in place there. For America, federal background checks and prosecuting people who leave loaded guns lying around unattended leading to an accidental shooting would be a good start.
It would also be a good start to allow the ATF to trace guns digitally. If law enforcement finds a gun at a crime scene, they can only find out if the gun has been reported stolen in NCIC. If they want the ATF to find the owner, or at least original purchaser, they have to send it to the ATF tracing center where the process is done manually, either physically checking records or reading microfilm copies of records. They legally can't use a search function on a computer to do it. It is absurd.

https://www.gq.com/story/inside-federal-bureau-of-way-too-many-guns

All states should also require permits to buy handguns, at minimum. NC does, but now enough nutjobs have been elected sheriff that the sheriff's association (sheriffs process handgun permits) is now supporting abolishing them. Someone going through a person's criminal history catches more things than the typical automatic background check. For example, if Dylann Roof had tried to buy a handgun in NC, it's likely that the review of his criminal history would've caught the charges that were missed by the normal ATF background check.
 

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Yesterday was an interesting day. On this side of the Atlantic you had Bojo dodging questions, mired in his own sleaze, and lashing out like a spoiled child. On the other side of the Atlantic you had Biden giving, what I thought, was an ambitious and inspiring address to Congress.
"Trickle-down economics has never worked." This from an American President. A $1.8 trillion plan funded by raising taxes on millionaires and billionaires. It's only words just now but I hope he's able to accomplish it all.
We’ve gone from a president championing trickle down economics in the 80s to a president accurately disavowing trickle down economics in the 20s.

Unfortunately millions have been irreparably harmed along the way.
 

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It's ok, an honest mistake. I will first say that the vast majority of guns are highly dangerous. Anything bigger than the two main rimfire cartridges is very deadly. Magazine capacity, and concealability are two things that might be considered from a control persepctive, but that poses a problem in the US where concealed carry is allowed. Limiting modifcations can also help but I understand the ATF has a lot in place there. For America, federal background checks and prosecuting people who leave loaded guns lying around unattended leading to an accidental shooting would be a good start.
To me, it’s cyclic rate & magazine capacity. Limit those, you limit many of the mass events we have.

But that would be an easy fix. The bigger lift is to try to eradicate any appreciable portion of gun violence by the use of other firearms than these.
 

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I thought of a new take on this. Design guns so that there is a 1/6 chance of a bullet firing backwards. For every 2 rounds above 6 in a magazine 1 in 2 will also fire backwards. Might make people think twice before pulling a trigger.
 

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I'm still quite shocked how much Biden has done and said right in this short of a time. I was happy Donnie ended up departing but like many I expected Joe to be more transitional and calming in a way than actually expecting him to get much done. Perhaps the being older thing helps give him the "I dont give a feck about making the beltway happy" attitude that allows him to tune out the noise more than other presidents. Not being an attention whore is also refreshing. Of course it feels like any possible progress will be for naught if certain Rs continue to crush the foundations of democracy behind the scenes.
 

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I'm still quite shocked how much Biden has done and said right in this short of a time. I was happy Donnie ended up departing but like many I expected Joe to be more transitional and calming in a way than actually expecting him to get much done. Perhaps the being older thing helps give him the "I dont give a feck about making the beltway happy" attitude that allows him to tune out the noise more than other presidents. Not being an attention whore is also refreshing. Of course it feels like any possible progress will be for naught if certain Rs continue to crush the foundations of democracy behind the scenes.
Same here. I expected absolutely nothing from Biden, but if he manages to get all these multi-billion dollar welfare state programs pushed through congress more or less as currently proposed - wouldn't that significantly move the needle for the US? Or do I misunderstand and/or overestimate what he is proposing?
 

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Same here. I expected absolutely nothing from Biden, but if he manages to get all these multi-billion dollar welfare state programs pushed through congress more or less as currently proposed - wouldn't that significantly move the needle for the US? Or do I misunderstand and/or overestimate what he is proposing?
It will be challenging considering the current Senate makeup.
 

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It will be challenging considering the current Senate makeup.
Absolutely, but say he gets all his huge projects (how many are there now? three?) through more or less as currently proposed, what would be the impact?
 

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Absolutely, but say he gets all his huge projects (how many are there now? three?) through more or less as currently proposed, what would be the impact?
Depends on whether the success of said programs would have an impact on their electoral prospects. While it’s true that it’s supremely unpopular to take away welfare programs (like Rs have failed to eliminate ACA, let alone Social Security/Medicare), they can be gutted/privatized/sabotaged (like the USPS, EPA, Department of Education etc) without the political power to protect them, and as we have seen, the country is divided enough and the electoral map is tilted in their favour enough to always give Rs a chance no matter how useless/malignant they are.

Passing HR1 is of the utmost importance, so is packing the SC. If they can manage to ensure voting rights protection for the next decade, there’s enough room to make places like GA, AZ and NC moving the way of VA in the 2000s to offset their weakness in the trending red Rust Belt.
 

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Biden is working at breakneck speed for a president, like he’s determined to change EVERYTHING that tango man did
 

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Biden is working at breakneck speed for a president, like he’s determined to change EVERYTHING that tango man did
It would be a successful Presidency if he managed to right all the wrongs made by Trump.

The trouble is so much went unreported or slipped under the radar. It was silly little things that had HUGE consequences, such as turning back some of the Obama environmental laws like the one not allowing pollution in to run off streams, and one that protected workers pensions.

I will have to Google them as I can't remember the specifics, but I can remember they both upset me immensely, and I was horrified they slipped under the radar and got next to no coverage, all because yet again they were in the small print next to one of the many scandals Trump created on a daily basis.
 

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They love the word "communism" don't they.
I keep hearing socialism as if what Biden’s proposing is borderline heretic. I saw something about Biden working towards free daycare and some republicans compared him to Stalin because Stalin was the first to do that.
 

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Biden is working at breakneck speed for a president, like he’s determined to change EVERYTHING that tango man did
Hes in a race to the mid terms as that could easily see everything grind to a halt and pretty much 2 years in the internal decocrat fight for who is candidate in 2024 will start to dominate anyway

Hopefully he gets enough done quickly to make a difference
 

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was the obama admin this bad? i don't remember the details.
 

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they're both hacks and *****.
i remember when trump tweeting a wrestling gif was life-threatening harassment of the press, and when his office's evasion of questions was a war on the function and dignity of the press.
 

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they're both hacks and *****.
i remember when trump tweeting a wrestling gif was life-threatening harassment of the press, and when his office's evasion of questions was a war on the function and dignity of the press.
The difference between the two is that Trump had an adversarial relationship with the press, including instances where his staff literally got physical with journalists, and he himself labelled them the enemy of the people, which is 3rd world authoritarian dictator talk. That type of behavior is obviously going to get covered differently than Biden making a cheezy, disposable joke during a photo op.
 
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they're both hacks and *****.
i remember when trump tweeting a wrestling gif was life-threatening harassment of the press, and when his office's evasion of questions was a war on the function and dignity of the press.
I don't really care much for Biden (except if he manages to push a good chunk of his big plans through Congress), but I don't get this criticism right here. Obviously, given the context and other questions that are being asked, this is the wrong moment to slot in an Israel-Palestine question. He also would never have enough time to give a proper response. Further, Biden implies the complexity of the issue in his response, which is fair. And although it's an awkward joke, he does immediately afterwards say 'I'm just teasing you'.

So: nothing to see here, as far as I can tell.
 

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I don't really care much for Biden (except if he manages to push a good chunk of his big plans through Congress), but I don't get this criticism right here. Obviously, given the context and other questions that are being asked, this is the wrong moment to slot in an Israel-Palestine question. He also would never have enough time to give a proper response. Further, Biden implies the complexity of the issue in his response, which is fair. And although it's an awkward joke, he does immediately afterwards say 'I'm just teasing you'.

So: nothing to see here, as far as I can tell.
i think the joke is fine, i think this was an obvious joke too:


(it doesn't seem to be playing, it's trump beating someone up with a cnn logo photoshopped on his face). even in the context of the more adversarial relationship with the press, there are some things which are obvious jokes, and i think both the gif and the biden line qualify.


on not commenting here specifically - maybe, i don't know, but it's not like his administration has stated anything beyond "israel has a right to defend itself" so even in the proper channels thre hasn't been much. (obviously the real statement is their new ~1bn weapons sales to israel this week).
 

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i think the joke is fine, i think this was an obvious joke too:


(it doesn't seem to be playing, it's trump beating someone up with a cnn logo photoshopped on his face). even in the context of the more adversarial relationship with the press, there are some things which are obvious jokes, and i think both the gif and the biden line qualify.


on not commenting here specifically - maybe, i don't know, but it's not like his administration has stated anything beyond "israel has a right to defend itself" so even in the proper channels thre hasn't been much. (obviously the real statement is their new ~1bn weapons sales to israel this week).
I think the Trump joke is in really bad taste. It's clearly adversarial and puts the US President against a major news organization. It's typical of Trump, of course, and actually mild compared to how he talked about the media later on (even Fox now); but that doesn't make it any better by normal standards. I don't see any of that in Biden's response here, which in my interpretation just serves to dodge a question that was anyway asked at a weird moment.

Again, I don't mean to defend Biden more broadly, regarding his stance or comments on Israel/Palestine, or any subject or action of his; I just don't see it for this particular criticism. If it's supposed to be typical of his attitude towards the current Israel/Palestine crisis - surely there are better examples...?
 

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I don't really care much for Biden (except if he manages to push a good chunk of his big plans through Congress), but I don't get this criticism right here. Obviously, given the context and other questions that are being asked, this is the wrong moment to slot in an Israel-Palestine question. He also would never have enough time to give a proper response. Further, Biden implies the complexity of the issue in his response, which is fair. And although it's an awkward joke, he does immediately afterwards say 'I'm just teasing you'.

So: nothing to see here, as far as I can tell.
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I think the Trump joke is in really bad taste. It's clearly adversarial and puts the US President against a major news organization. It's typical of Trump, of course, and actually mild compared to how he talked about the media later on (even Fox now); but that doesn't make it any better by normal standards. I don't see any of that in Biden's response here, which in my interpretation just serves to dodge a question that was anyway asked at a weird moment.

Again, I don't mean to defend Biden more broadly, regarding his stance or comments on Israel/Palestine, or any subject or action of his; I just don't see it for this particular criticism. If it's supposed to be typical of his attitude towards the current Israel/Palestine crisis - surely there are better examples...?
and that.

Biden is a «normal» politician while Trump is a deranged sociopath - pretty odd take here.