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The Guardian - Manchester United to sack Erik ten Hag after the FA Cup Final
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
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Non of the potential replacements fill me with any excitement but ETH is finished here, no other way around it.
Tuchel and Poch are massively over rated in my opinion. I'd put McKenna or Amorim on a 2 year contract and if it doesnt work out, get rid next summer.
Hopefully by then there should be better options for manager on the market.
Tuchel and Poch are massively over rated in my opinion. I'd put McKenna or Amorim on a 2 year contract and if it doesnt work out, get rid next summer.
Hopefully by then there should be better options for manager on the market.
They did offer him alternative signings like Pau Torres instead of Martinez, but because he didn't trust the recruitment team, he went with players he knew
Twelve pages in and some people still believe the club leaked this to a London based journalist with Chelsea links, the day before the FA Cup final, when there is no logical reason to do so. Incredible.
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It’s despicable. Beneath contempt. Disrespectful to fans. To the manager. What about the team? It’s the corporate bullshit Woodward loved. I’m disappointed beyond words. Stay classy, whatever you do.
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The club hasn’t leaked it, so the “timing” is a result of Chelsea and other clubs recruiting for a manager right now, and therefore we also must start sounding out prospective candidates.
I really don’t understand the consternation, people would be moaning about the club being too slow to act if we did nothing and watched our managerial targets take jobs around Europe.
So a whole bunch of 'any player that does these things' without actually naming any that fit the bill?
Ten Hag has failed massively this season to an almost unprecedented extent. Despite that, almost all the players appear to have tried their best in a system that is guaranteed to fail. The majority of those players have been bought by ETH, promoted by ETH or given new contracts by ETH. Having one or two players that maybe didn't give it their all doesn't mean Ten Hag was beaten down by player power.
Tuchel's a step down from this guy, they said. Bloody ridiculous season we've had.brother
If I will be asked "what is Ten Hag ball?" in 10 years time, this is the picture to use.brother
Injuries matebrother
The only thing that matters is the scoreboard at the top left cornerbrother
We already were too slow in failing to sack him a few weeks ago. What was the point in keeping him around after the Coventry/Burnley/Crystal Palace games? We all knew the writing was on the wall but instead Ineos waited until the day before the cup final to kick into action.
Had a couple of month spell where he really looked like he was onto something.
But unfortunately it was a mere purple patch fuelled by rare outrageous form from Martinez ,Shaw, Bruno, Rashy and Casemiro.
4 of the 5 have barely played and bar a little spell from Bruno recently its all dropped off.
Add in an admittedly ridiculous injury spell and a seeming refusal to bother to try and stop teams having 30 shots a game and it's been a terrible season.
It felt like week 1 we looked totally wrong in midfield and we never really got much better despite Mainoo being a rare glimmer of hope in there.
But unfortunately it was a mere purple patch fuelled by rare outrageous form from Martinez ,Shaw, Bruno, Rashy and Casemiro.
4 of the 5 have barely played and bar a little spell from Bruno recently its all dropped off.
Add in an admittedly ridiculous injury spell and a seeming refusal to bother to try and stop teams having 30 shots a game and it's been a terrible season.
It felt like week 1 we looked totally wrong in midfield and we never really got much better despite Mainoo being a rare glimmer of hope in there.
Yep, it's the defining feature of ETH's time here. In the same way that our defence slowly passing the ball between each other is the defining feature of LVG's time.
Why do you think the bold? It makes no sense whatsoever.
Balls. Thought he might get a contract extension after that FA Cup win.
Do you seriously believe they decided today to sack him?
Horrible timing, but happy with the decision.
Absolutely horrific handling by ineos in what was their first real challenge. Embarrassing
Right decision, wrong timing
It's the typical Internet hive mind in action. If anybody could just stop and think critically about this then they'd probably realise that this was probably beyond the clubs control.
You can't expect us to have another manager lined up (ie forward planning) and not expect third parties to catch wind of our intentions. The same posters complaining now would be complaining if we sack him later down the line without something lined up. It's just not worth getting involved with this, leave them to it.
That’s what you was hoping
Shows how bad you must have been to not get any wins against us this season.It's not surprising that he is being let go but I am curious as to what changed all of a sudden as all the reports up until then had "could be" or "set to". This is the first one that has been definitive about his sacking.
I still don't believe that the club has leaked this. It has most likely come from the outside or from Erik's camp.
Not leaked by the club, as has been pointed out repeatedly.
Nope. But they must've known there was a possibility this could be leaked on the eve of the cup final, so once they decided he wasn't their man - why not sack him immediately and get an interim in for a few weeks?
What's the point in bringing in an interim for a couple of games? Let him get the final over with, thank him for his service, and make a permanent appointment.
Gutted with the timing. Everyone knows I had a preference for him to stay but I can't argue with the end decision.
I'll be there singing his and the teams name tomorrow irrespective of the result. feck it. It's a final lets go for it.
I'll be there singing his and the teams name tomorrow irrespective of the result. feck it. It's a final lets go for it.
Guess that big summer clearout won't be happening then. Looking forward to another cycle of:
1. New manager decides against significant departures this summer as he decides to "assess the squad" first.
2. Solid first season under the new boss - maybe top 4 and a League Cup win or decent FA Cup run.
3. Players stop giving a shit at some point in season 2, manager sacked at end of season rather than squad being overhauled.
4. Common demoninators of many players who have been largely shite under 2 or more managers survive as yet another new manager comes in to assess the squad.
5. Lots of shocked pikachu faces that mediocre players remain mediocre under new boss, fans decide the Manager who has been good at previous clubs has become senile overnight. "Manager must go, fraud, rabble rabble!"
1. New manager decides against significant departures this summer as he decides to "assess the squad" first.
2. Solid first season under the new boss - maybe top 4 and a League Cup win or decent FA Cup run.
3. Players stop giving a shit at some point in season 2, manager sacked at end of season rather than squad being overhauled.
4. Common demoninators of many players who have been largely shite under 2 or more managers survive as yet another new manager comes in to assess the squad.
5. Lots of shocked pikachu faces that mediocre players remain mediocre under new boss, fans decide the Manager who has been good at previous clubs has become senile overnight. "Manager must go, fraud, rabble rabble!"
Don’t like it being leaked to the media before the cup final. It’s pretty rotten and as much as we are frustrated with the results on the pitch and might want the change in manager, it really sucks for this story to be leaked be right now.
Hope that whatever happens tomorrow, ETH and the team give their all.
Hope that whatever happens tomorrow, ETH and the team give their all.
I think it’s fair he gets to take his team to the cup final. Some may disagree, but he’s earned that much. I think it would’ve been harsher to deny him that. Also, they didn’t wait until the day before the cup final, it will have been known internally for ages. In fact I’d put money on Ten Hag himself having known for at least a week. This is just when it’s been leaked to the press.
A potential new manager bounce increases our chances of not getting humiliated by our rivals tomorrow. When the players know their manager in the dugout is getting sacked the next day, they're not going to be running those extra yards. Wembley is going to be a bloodbath tomorrow thanks to this leak. Whereas we could've put in a resolute performance under an interim manager.
Disgusting.
I disagree entirely. Why would there be a "new manager bounce" when the interim would be leaving after the match? Who would give a shit about impressing him? Did you miss Rangnick?
Absolutely.
Injuries, all the off field stuff, his signings not working out, players looking flat such as Casemiro and Rashford, falling out with Sancho. A perfect storm to get fired. We’ve been appalling this year for all the reasons above. I like ETH but I think McKenna with a new structure as in a top coach will work. McKenna doesn’t have to get the players on his side, if they aren’t working Wilcox will be reporting it to Ashworth and they will be moved on. It’s a lot more simple. All McKenna has to do is pick the tactics and the players in the best form. If he can knock a tune out of Ipswich then he can surely implement his ideas here. I reckon Sancho gets one more chance with him too.
Mitten knew about SAF leaving but was asked not publish the story. I love Mitten, he’s the gold standard of journalism
Pretty much.
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