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The Guardian - Manchester United to sack Erik ten Hag after the FA Cup Final
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
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So you think it is okey with those kind of news that are done to harm us before a final? Why not coming out with something about that other team? Because there is agenda. Normal thing to do in this case is ban everybody trying to put us in some bad light before this final.
I don't know why some of you even bother to support us tomorrow. You might aswell sing Osais songs and paint yourself in that other teams colour.
I can just picture that guy turning up to a dark, empty press room at Old Trafford tomorrow. "Where is everyone...?"
Pretty sure it was after, he was under pressure but he thought if he won it could save him and he only planned on one more year. In the end his wife told him as Woodward was such a weasel he didn’t tell him first but leaked it. From memory the press went wild with the Mou story straight after the FA cup win. Not our finest hour.
This bit says it all really. You'll be blindly defending the manager even if he unfortunately turns out to be out of his depth.I really doubt that.
Nonetheless, I see signs of hope for the future with the younger players (of which some are Ten Hag signings), starting to show good things. Build around them, replace the obvious has beens. Who's left from Moyes', LVG's, Mourinho's, etc teams? Rashford, Martial, McTom, Shaw? Of course, they must be the first to go in the summer, no more negotiation.
NB: 18 months from now, I'll be here defending when our next manager getting sacked
Zero pity for Ten Hag, dude is about to get £6.5m dropped in his bank account as a reward for outright failure. If he was too arrogant to see this coming a mile off, that's on him too.
The pity is the club letting this situation develop to throw off build up to a cup final.
The pity is the club letting this situation develop to throw off build up to a cup final.
Being the biggest team in the land comes with certain drawbacks. People don't care about city. They will always care about United.
Or the timing is based on when they got the information.
It's childish to punish the media for doing their work. We have our jobs, they have our jobs, and we shouldn't try to interfere and dictate what they do and how they do it.
it’ll just be him and kath on reception, calling him a dick.
I can just picture that guy turning up to a dark, empty press room at Old Trafford tomorrow. "Where is everyone...?"
That is why they should know that coming out with those kind of negative news with one purpose should have consequences.
Damn journos, they took our jobs!
You seriously have autocratic tendencies. Do you know what free press means?
This looks like cursed regex made by chatgpt
I know what free press media means. That doesn't mean that you can behave and write what you want and expect club to just accept. They could come out with same stuff day after our final. Not day before. There is a big difference. We have banned people before from press conferences.
I hope so. But how many times have we heard this?
Most of the time, a new manager arrives because a team is playing poorly and need fresh impetus. Logic dictates managers need time to create the team in their image and build a winning and successful team. Sacking managers every 2 years is not a solution. I bet Arteta is gone 3/4 years ago if he was a United manager. Patience required with a manager.
I would argue that the journalist knew about this info weeks ago but chose today as the day to release it, for some reason.
I would also argue that with this timing, they are actively trying to interfere with our job, which is to prepare for the cup final.
They also could have released this at the final whistle tomorrow. INEOS isn't going to walk onto the Wembley pitch and sack ETH there.
It may or may not be the truth, but their choice of timing is unforgivable from our perspective.
How do you think we'd be doing now if Moyes were still here? How many titles would we have won?
I choose to believe it was already handled privately. The INEOS gang strike me as being professional and demanding. I’m positive that they had a conversation with him.
Please no "clean slate for all the players", just get rid.
For every Arteta there are 100 Stevie Gs. That's what the flaw in your logic is.
‘New’ member remembers what I did 2 seasons ago when I barely remember last week. Figures. Do tell, how was I with Ole?
Not denying this. But i am curious as to why they would have this conversation before the cup final and end of the season if they were going to let him finish out. There's no rush at that point. There's really no reason not to keep completely silent and then after the cup final is over, then take a day or two or more to decide and let the manager know. I understand that there's managers out there and clubs looking for managers, but we're talking about a few days of waiting. To do it before the cup final creates potentially issues in motivation and drama that are not helpful to anyone.
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We started a season under a cloud (Greenwood) we’re ending the season under a cloud (Sacking) anyone else ready for a bit of a break from this circus?
Wouldn’t be surprised
Cannot wait for next season
You still got the Ashworth litigation battle next year to look forward to. Get belted in.
Some had convinced themselves it was somehow a good thing when we concede loads of shots on goal.
I called this up the pub. Personally think Erik has know for some time. Now it’s out the players may step up. As they have (a little) past two games.
The mental gymnastic on this forum consistently outdoes itself. The players have been awful, and we've been hit by injury after injury, but he's the most tactically naive coach we've ever had.
I daresay Moyes had more to offer
So is it Poch, De Zerbi, Tuchel or McKenna that we've tapped up ready to join on Monday!?
Definitely more crosses...
Zidane. BOOOM! you heard it here first.
They were low-quality shots though!
I guess Arsenal should have stuck with Emery instead, going by your logic.
Villa should have stuck with Gerrard. We should have stuck with Moyes. Real should have stayed with Benitez instead of going for Zidane. Liverpool should have stayed with Rogers instead of Klopp. Hell, I guess we should have stuck with Atkinson instead of going for Ferguson, and Arsenal should have stayed with Rioch instead of getting Wenger.
Sacking managers who aren't good enough is the solution. Whether that's after 6 months or 4 years. Indeed, the sooner the better so you can move on to a manager who might be successful, and to limit the damage that the failing manager can do. Success isn't just based on what is happening on the field (although obviously that's the biggest one), but also on what is happening behind the scenes that the club feels is building for the future. Arsenal were obviously happier with what they saw in that regard compared to what they saw under Emery, which is why Arteta was given extra time and they saw steady improvement under him. Whereas there's been no signs whatsoever that ETH is building anything or improving things.
Sacking the manager isn't the only part of the solution, but if they aren't good enough then it is the single most important thing a club has to do. A poor manager will make good players fail (look at what happened with Moyes here), whereas good managers can make average players successful.
Obviously if they got the information earlier and chose to sit on it for a while in order to publish it today of all days, then it's rather naughty, but it's unlikely. They would have feared someone else getting the exclusive out before they do.
Sitting on it for weeks is just not something you do in such a competitive field, and for what? Disrupt our preperations for a match we're likely to lose anyway by bringing out information anyone with good sense already knows? If anything, they're almost late to the party because articles about our interest in other managers and INEOS's silence speak volumes.
Oh, and if we won tomorrow and they released it at the final whistle - people would have said they are trying to ruin our celebrations.
As a journalist and newspaper you just have to do your job.
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