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At a guess, there will have been other incidents. Harassment or inappropriate conduct towards female colleagues? Bullying or abuse of prisoners? Beyond the work environment? Who knows what his conduct towards his family was like, or how he acted socially.Just out of interest what sort of sexualised behaviour/crimes do you think come between exposure and first instance of Rape and then Murder? I've obviously not given it much thought myself.
Yeah, the psychopath comment was a more general comment about him and his crime, as opposed to anything we see in this vid.Dunno, he looks like he’s actually bricking it there, and scrambling for a story like a little kid… reminded me more of Alan Partridge and the traffic cone than a psychopathic monster… which is scarier if anything
I think the very least we're saying is that if the signs were there his colleagues and superiors were doing a good impersonation of the Vatican, not all being a bent or dangerous copper but closing ranks is just as bad as being that bent or dangerous copper. The very least they've done is allow a murderer and rapist to develop. The institutionalisation of the Police Forces is complete and although we say they can't all be like that I can't see how they aren't all aware of some degree even if it is just not being expected to pay for a coffee and now of course we've direct evidence of much worse. How we can expect women let alone minority groups to trust them doesn't seem possible. Another pointless Inquiry on the way.At a guess, there will have been other incidents. Harassment or inappropriate conduct towards female colleagues? Bullying or abuse of prisoners? Beyond the work environment? Who knows what his conduct towards his family was like, or how he acted socially.
People who abuse a position of authority don't generally switch it on and off at will. The suggestion that he'd been moved from work that required daily conduct with people he could exercise power over does suggest that "misgivings" had been flagged. Which should have made investigations into things like indecent exposure all the more intense - but that isn't what seems to have happened. If direct witness complaints from outsiders got glossed over, I do question what else he got away with.
Focus on not recruiting people like him, and having procedures in place that he's stopped long before it gets to this point.As all the guests both left and right agreed on politics live this morning, the government and police force cannot regain public trust through PR this time, there needs to be structural and procedural change for women (and men) to feel safe and protected again. That trust has been broken.
So I’m interested in what structural or/and procedural changes you would suggest which can regain this confidence?
I could be wrong but as he pled guilty I don’t think he can appeal?Also I think the whole life tariff is very deserved but based on the crappy sentencing system in the U.K. it will probably get reduced on appeal. You have double murderers, with a sex motive, doing 30-38 minimum terms. An appeal lawyer will argue him getting a whole life tariff was based on him abusing police powers is and due to the publicity of the case.
Think he can appeal the sentenceI could be wrong but as he pled guilty I don’t think he can appeal?
Maybe it’s because I’m from Northern Ireland but it seems bonkers that there wouldn’t be two police officers together at all times anyway. Would never happen here.You can't tell the public they should refuse a police officer's commands until a second one arrives.
I think he can appeal the length of the sentence. There was a man who murdered a four-year-old kid in 2013 who admitted guilt, was given a whole-life order and tried to appeal it but was unsuccessful.I could be wrong but as he pled guilty I don’t think he can appeal?
Was that the April Jones case?I think he can appeal the length of the sentence. There was a man who murdered a four-year-old kid in 2013 who admitted guilt, was given a whole-life order and tried to appeal it but was unsuccessful.
Riley Turner. I don't think Jones' killer admitted guilt.Was that the April Jones case?
That first paragraph is utterly meaningless and will achieve absolute nothing as a “response”.Focus on not recruiting people like him, and having procedures in place that he's stopped long before it gets to this point.
You can't tell the public they should refuse a police officer's commands until a second one arrives.
Because next time there is a crime in progress, which unlike this particular incident will be in about the next 30 seconds, we can't have the police sitting there watching whilst waiting for a second officer to arrive.That first paragraph is utterly meaningless and will achieve absolute nothing as a “response”.
As for the second paragraph; why not?
Don't officers already work in pairs? If they're not, then that's a simple change to make along with letting people know that a lone officer can't arrest them and put them in an unmarked car.Because next time there is a crime in progress, which unlike this particular incident will be in about the next 30 seconds, we can't have the police sitting there watching whilst waiting for a second officer to arrive.
Honestly, did i really need to explain that to you?
Well that's what I thought, but I'm not police and I haven't lived in the UK in a long time. I was going by what somebody else posted.Don't officers already work in pairs? If they're not, then that's a simple change to make along with letting people know that a lone officer can't arrest them and put them in an unmarked car.
The Death Penalty should be brought back for him.
Now he is going to live at the tax payer cost for years.
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Death penalty costs more than life in prison.The Death Penalty should be brought back for him.
Now he is going to live at the tax payer cost for years.
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He will appeal his life sentence anyway so he will cost even more.Death penalty costs more than life in prison.
I keep thinking about his poor wife and kids. They did nothing to deserve thisyeah go down to the nearest docks and get a thick rope, just hang him and be done with it.
it’s so annoying, he will be in his own cell, he will be fed well, he will likely get a tv and other various privileges. Plus he will likely be protected because he’s an ex copper and the nature of his crimes. I don't think he will be put in with violent offenders as he will be a marked man, he will likely end up with the nonces.
I expect him to appeal. I think people like him, in his situation generally use the appeal process to give them A. some element of control in their life and B. some element of purpose, something to focus on in their otherwise miserable and pointless life.He's 48 now. On the slim chance his whole-life order was successfully appealed and he was given a chance of parole, there's no way he'd get less than 30-40 years minimum term.
On that basis there's no point him appealing, because whatever minimum term he got he'd die before he had a chance of parole. People generally don't make extreme old age in prison, particularly ex-coppers with a rape and murder conviction.
that’s always the case in crimes like this. They are victims too.I keep thinking about his poor wife and kids. They did nothing to deserve this
Has his wife been cleared? I thought initially she was suspected of helping him cover his tracks?that’s always the case in crimes like this. They are victims too.
I don’t know I’ve barely heard her mentioned so maybe they have cleared her.Has his wife been cleared? I thought initially she was suspected of helping him cover his tracks?
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In the judges sentencing remarks I think he referred to them as blameless.Has his wife been cleared? I thought initially she was suspected of helping him cover his tracks?
Ah thats good to hear. It’s always more sinister when its a couple involved.In the judges summing up I think he referred to them as blameless.
I don’t care for your #NotAll-ism, especially when I didn’t say every single one. Next time you say ‘City fans do xyz’ or ‘Liverpool fans do xyz’ should a city or pool fan on the caf fly into your mentions to tell you that not all of them do said thing?The OP labelled all Police Officers as "...corrupt bastards who harass innocent people and abuse their powers to do so."
There are currently about 135k police officer ranks in the UK. Are you implying that each and every one of them are "exactly like him"?
Couldn’t put it better myself. Seen a lot of ‘no true Scotsman’ (not just from the guy being interviewed) and in this case he LITERALLY was able to do what he did because he was a policeman.@Pexbo beat me to it but I think your outrage might better be directed at the Met Police. This statement below is not in any way acceptable for starters
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He was a police officer. He was able to do what he did precisely because he was a police officer. But worst of all it seems he built up to doing this because the institution around him turned a blind eye to crimes he'd committed previously.
Not only this, but it appears it's time the whole idea of a Police Identification badge is brought into the 21st century. My staff are all on a clock in app, where they can start their shift once inside the geo location and then clock out again before they leave. While they're in, the screen looks green and when they've clocked out, it goes red on their phones.They should have the right to refuse to go anywhere until a second officer arrives on the scene.
Actually, people did in fact start to question the notion that a doctor’s word is law and the healthcare system was reformed as a result of the Shipman case, known as the ‘Shipman effect.’Should we have told everybody they should second guess their GP because of Harold Shipman? Of course not.
It's on the government to restore trust in its police forces but that does not extend to working even more fear into the public by suggesting all police officers might be about to kidnap them. This was one man in 135,000. Some context is needed.
We’re discussing fundamental changes to an institution things will need to be worked out such as ensuring officers never work alone. Everything needs rethinking and not just starting with “won’t work” mentality.Because next time there is a crime in progress, which unlike this particular incident will be in about the next 30 seconds, we can't have the police sitting there watching whilst waiting for a second officer to arrive.
Honestly, did i really need to explain that to you?