I respect his heart in the ring and his desire to never give up but I don’t really respect him as a person.
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I respect his heart in the ring and his desire to never give up but I don’t really respect him as a person.
Yeah, I'm wondering where Fury goes from here, nobody to fight really, I reckon Whyte would put up more of a fight than Joshua.
Well obviously there is, a unification bout. Fury hasn’t fought anyone with any actual boxing skills since Wlad, and how fecking long ago was that?
Whyte, Usyk, AJ are all interesting fights.
Too many people having their opinions warped by 3 fights against a guy he’s clearly been far superior to since round 1 in 2018. And that was after being out of the ring for feck knows how long.
There’s plenty for Fury to do to cement a legacy.
Wilder dropped Fury last night I think he had as much of a chance as anyone to take him out early rounds, he always had a punchers chance but the longer the fight went on the more likely a Fury win.
I didn’t think there was much need for a third fight but it was signed in the contract and Wilder played his part in it so I don’t think he has to be grateful to Fury at all.
congrats to Fury! He managed to (just) dodge the bullet again. He's now rightly the number one HW in the world!
However, I still maintain that a fight between him and joshua is close. If it turns out to be easy for Fury I'll eat humble pie.
Well said!
No one left to fight?! He's still got most of the top 10 left to fight! Wilder is his only decent name in years.
I should add that I feel Usyk is an easier fight for Fury than Joshua.
Either fight, will arguably be the best win of his career though. Only Klitschko comes close
Yeah he thought Fury would be a walk in the park in the first fight and wanted a name to put on legacy. But Fury beat him 3 times and took his best shots multiple times. Wilder is brash and loud, he didn't like it when he encountered a real character who gave as good as he got and bettered him both and out of the ring. The shame of being knocked out by pillow hands was too much for him
In hindsight he’s probably regretting not taking the Joshua fight now, never underestimate the Gypsy King!Yeah he thought Fury would be a walk in the park in the first fight and wanted a name to put on legacy. But Fury beat him 3 times and took his best shots multiple times. Wilder is brash and loud, he didn't like it when he encountered a real character who gave as good as he got and bettered him both and out of the ring. The shame of being knocked out by pillow hands was too much for him
It is true that pre-match trash talk is part of the game and you should let it go once it is over. However, things sometimes go too far with Wilder just taking a possible career ending beating after he gave it all. Who the feck cares, it was great entertainment and credit to both fighters.
“No one left to fight” is one of the silliest comments I’ve heard in a long time. I mean what have we learnt since 2015 with Fury? Well we’ve learnt that Fury is clearly miles better than a dog shit one punch boxer and that Fury can take a punch, nothing else.
Yet beating that dog shit boxer 3 times now means he has no one left to fight? What the holy feck. Let’s forget the rest of the top 10 exist because Fury battered this utter waster 3 times.
Nobody to fight? Beating up Wilder 3 times doesn't clean up the division. He needs to fight Uysk and he needs to fight Joshua. He shouldn't have any difficulty getting it up for his long time rival and the man that currently holds the majority of the belts. Wilder has also put him down 3 times now, that should be concerning, when you consider Wilder's, shall we say, modest boxing skills.
How about all the others he won from Klitschko and never lost?
The GOAT? That's just ridiculous. Besides, even this sloppy Fury would walk through Usyk, who doesn't have anywhere near the power that Wilder does.
fully expect Wilder to bounce back in 4th fight and knock him out.
He’d have gotten knocked out there too.
Usyk, Whyte and Joshua have to be the three names in the hat now, I think Whyte is the mandatory now so will probably be him then the winner of Usyk v Joshua rematch still a lot of boxing to be done yet..
Fury ought to call it quits, he'd smoke Joshua and is far too big for Usyk. I suspect he'd have lot of hunger as well. It's a shame Joshua is Bruno-lite.
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Don’t know Joshua hasn’t proved to have a solid chin like Fury and he was dropped a few times.
Why would you call it quits, now?! So much legacy and $ to fight for...
Hell no! He needs to go for the unification fight then a couple of bums then retire still a lot he can do…
Joshua, Usyk? Even Whyte. Fury is not even undisputed champion! How could you want more motivation than that? The man has been so inactive. There is so much to do.
Kronk style Fury is a lot easier to hit, but determining whether that was the contempt for his opponent driving him towards headhunting is hard to tell.
If he takes on his mandatory, I wonder if he'll try and outbox him or just go to war again. I felt Fury gave Wilder inlets he absolutely didn't have to and put himself in harm's way far more than was necessary. Made for an entertaining fight, but he could've been counted out early for it... that slow, broken count... didn't it amount to ten in actual, count real time?
There's obviously two big fights for Fury: one for the general public, and the other to unify all of the belts and cement a legacy for the winner; I have no idea how Usyk can do anything against Fury who will absolutely smother him and use his massive weight advantage and chin to snuff out the technical skills of the Ukrainian.
Whyte is a potential banana skin if he's going to go in there and just scrap with him because it's unnecessary risk for a fighter who could comfortably outscore him on the outside.
2022/23 should be the best years of boxing since the 90's for all the matchups due.
If he takes on his mandatory, I wonder if he'll try and outbox him or just go to war again. I felt Fury gave Wilder inlets he absolutely didn't have to and put himself in harm's way far more than was necessary. Made for an entertaining fight, but he could've been counted out early for it... that slow, broken count... didn't it amount to ten in actual, count real time?
There's obviously two big fights for Fury: one for the general public, and the other to unify all of the belts and cement a legacy for the winner; I have no idea how Usyk can do anything against Fury who will absolutely smother him and use his massive weight advantage and chin to snuff out the technical skills of the Ukrainian.
Whyte is a potential banana skin if he's going to go in there and just scrap with him because it's unnecessary risk for a fighter who could comfortably outscore him on the outside.
2022/23 should be the best years of boxing since the 90's for all the matchups due.
Hope he fights Whyte next but I do have a nagging feeling he's going to disappear again.
Fair enough. He really is level above any other heavyweight...it's looking bear with out him. We'll see if he's got the drive.
Looked to me that he he just wanted to KO Wilder, he's a much smarter boxer usually.
Hope you're right.
Yeah the hatred between them is very real.
Why would he call it quits then.
Same guy could retire tomorrow morning you never know with Fury.
Why would he call it quits then.
My mistake really he still has to unify the title as has been pointed out to me. I was looking at the quality of opponents and his will to fight them.
No worries. Fury hasn't really begun yet. He's defended his belt once, and has only two names of any worth on his record, one of them being Wilder. Whyte, Joshua and Uysk should be a minimum. I think he'll be too big and crafty for Uysk, but stylistically Joshua would cause him problems.
I agree with others that Fury could retire tomorrow and never fight again. He's an odd cat like that.
Just watched it this morning. Amazing fight. One of the best heavyweight bouts ever for sure. Shame about the bad taste left in the mouth at the end.
Great fight, probably the best I've seen for a long time, much better than that AJ fight a few weeks ago. Fury is clearly the far better boxer, has been all the fights. Deserves his titles, would like to see him going onto with them all.
That journalist that asked him if he was going to fall into a depression again should be ashamed of themselves , should also be sacked for asking such a stupid question after such good fight.
That journalist that asked him if he was going to fall into a depression again should be ashamed of themselves , should also be sacked for asking such a stupid question after such good fight.
I feel that Tyson played like shit. Gave Wilder way too many in's just because he didn't respect him and wanted to prove to the world the guy couldn't touch him. Almost intentionally took punishment. Still far too good though against an altogether unlikeable guy. Not focused in the correct way though.
Don't think any current incantation of AJ poses him any issues.
Don't think any current incantation of AJ poses him any issues.
Great heavyweight fight. But the BT Sport production team should be fired after tonight, terrible angle selection, they kept close up shots at critical moments when we needed to see the whole ring, I couldn't enjoy the fight the way I wanted to and it sucks because it was a very pleasant display.
Wilder didn't want to shake Fury's hand because he was embarrassed. Embarrassed because not only did Fury beat him probably three times, but because Fury, having being given the opportunity by Wilder, became more popular than Wilder in his own backyard. That's why Wilder was mad. He could not accept that Fury even had well known A-list American celebs tweeting out support to him - Mike Tyson, Drake, Lil Wayne. That's gotta hurt.
Yes, he gave Tyson the opportunity, but Tyson grabbed it with both hands and then turned it into The Tyson Fury show.
Yes, he gave Tyson the opportunity, but Tyson grabbed it with both hands and then turned it into The Tyson Fury show.
If Wilder can knock him down 3 times in total.... I'm sure others could too. I'm not sure what I think of Fury on the whole, I love that he dismantled the horrific myth of Wilder in their first fight after everything that came beforehand and also the Wlad fight... this fight was utterly pointless, he beat him in 1, and horrifically beat him in 2.... just to more or less do it again, even if he did get knocked down twice
But now he'll sit on this "greatest of my era" shit on the basis on that which is kinda true right now, boxing is shit because of it. I'm not overly sure who started this bullshit cherry picking to create false legacies, probably Sugar Rey Leonard, but Floyd took it an obscene level.... and now loads are at it.
But now he'll sit on this "greatest of my era" shit on the basis on that which is kinda true right now, boxing is shit because of it. I'm not overly sure who started this bullshit cherry picking to create false legacies, probably Sugar Rey Leonard, but Floyd took it an obscene level.... and now loads are at it.
Interest for the HW scene was dead for Americans, Tyson made Wilder, not the other way round. You gotta give him kudos for that. He was getting like 55-45 in the first fight.... imagine Frank Bruno getting that against Mike Tyson.
If he beats Whyte and either Joshua/Usyk he will have a pretty good resume at that point. I think he’s very good but needs a few more names on his list to be considered a great I think.If Wilder can knock him down 3 times in total.... I'm sure others could too. I'm not sure what I think of Fury on the whole, I love that he dismantled the horrific myth of Wilder in their first fight after everything that came beforehand and also the Wlad fight... this fight was utterly pointless, he beat him in 1, and horrifically beat him in 2.... just to more or less do it again, even if he did get knocked down twice
But now he'll sit on this "greatest of my era" shit on the basis on that which is kinda true right now, boxing is shit because of it. I'm not overly sure who started this bullshit cherry picking to create false legacies, probably Sugar Rey Leonard, but Floyd took it an obscene level.... and now loads are at it.