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[hmchan]

I can’t remember if it was you I was discussing this with but wasn’t vaccine hesitancy in HK supposed to be about a distrust of Chinese vaccines? Is it really so difficult to convince the populace to take Pfizer?

The political sitiation here has been very tense over the past two years, and Pfizer and CoronaVac somehow represent the US and China respectively.

When Pfizer was approved in the west, the pro-China campaign (the government included) kept defaming its safety and exaggerating its side effects (e.g. the Norway incident). This was because CoronaVac lacked data and showed poor efficacy, and this was their way to lure people to take the CoronaVac.

Unfortunately, this made people become overly worried about the adverse effects and things didn't go as they planned. Instead of taking the CoronaVac, people decide not to take any vaccine. As a healthcare professional I really hate to see this, but there's nothing I can do and this is the reality.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The political sitiation here has been very tense over the past two years, and Pfizer and CoronaVac somehow represent the US and China respectively.

When Pfizer was approved in the west, the pro-China campaign (the government included) kept defaming its safety and exaggerating its side effects (e.g. the Norway incident). This was because CoronaVac lacked data and showed poor efficacy, and this was their way to lure people to take the CoronaVac.

Unfortunately, this made people become overly worried about the adverse effects and things didn't go as they planned. Instead of taking the CoronaVac, people decide not to take any vaccine. As a healthcare professional I really hate to see this, but there's nothing I can do and this is the reality.

That’s nuts. Worth clarifying that the “Norway event” was AZ, not Pfizer but sounds like you’re dealing with a crazy situation all the same.

Hopefully you can your hands on Curevac soon and Europe is perceived as somehow neutral!

 

[hmchan]

That’s nuts. Worth clarifying that the “Norway event” was AZ, not Pfizer but sounds like you’re dealing with a crazy situation all the same.

Hopefully you can your hands on Curevac soon and Europe is perceived as somehow neutral!

In this day and age any country other than Russia and North Korea is considered as anti-Beijing by the pro-China campaign, especially when Europe is now speaking out for Hong Kong and Xinjiang. To me this situation is ridiculous and is an absolute joke, as we're sitting on plenty of unused vaccines while other countries are desperately fighting for one.

For the Norway incident I refer to this event. It's clearly unrelated to the vaccine but the pro-China campaign kept using this to defame its safety. And the government let that happen.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/18/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer-deaths-norway-intl/index.html

 

[Phil]

Only my assumption but I think if you were to get effects it would take longer than 2 hours.

Perfect, thanks. Have been a bit anxious about whether to reschedule.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

In this day and age any country other than Russia and North Korea is considered as anti-Beijing by the pro-China campaign, especially when Europe is now speaking out for Hong Kong and Xinjiang. To me this situation is ridiculous and is an absolute joke, as we're sitting on plenty of unused vaccines while other countries are desperately fighting for one.

For the Norway incident I refer to this event. It's clearly unrelated to the vaccine but the pro-China campaign kept using this to defame its safety. And the government let that happen.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/18/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer-deaths-norway-intl/index.html

Ah. Ok. Forgot about that one!

 

[Lj82]

The political sitiation here has been very tense over the past two years, and Pfizer and CoronaVac somehow represent the US and China respectively.

When Pfizer was approved in the west, the pro-China campaign (the government included) kept defaming its safety and exaggerating its side effects (e.g. the Norway incident). This was because CoronaVac lacked data and showed poor efficacy, and this was their way to lure people to take the CoronaVac.

Unfortunately, this made people become overly worried about the adverse effects and things didn't go as they planned. Instead of taking the CoronaVac, people decide not to take any vaccine. As a healthcare professional I really hate to see this, but there's nothing I can do and this is the reality.

Now that you mentioned it, my mum was watching the news on Phoenix and she asked me about purported side effects of Pfizer on teenagers that she saw on the news.

 

[hmchan]

Now that you mentioned it, my mum was watching the news on Phoenix and she asked me about purported side effects of Pfizer on teenagers that she saw on the news.

This is why I have an increasing hatred towards media nowadays, not only social but also traditional ones. They always try to guide your thinking by feeding you with disinformation or showing you only the partial truth. Instead of presenting the whole story and let the audience think, they've already had a stance in the report. The newer generation is better educated with critical thinking, but many in the society sincerely believe the bollox from the propaganda.

 

[11101]

Good to see. US and UK take note.

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[TheReligion]

Just had my vaccine. 15 minute wait time!

 

[stu_1992]

First vaccine done. All good, worst part was the tension leading into it to be honest. The jab itself was a bit of a bad pinch feeling and my arm is a little sore now 1 hour out. My girlfriend actually got it done at the same time and she didn't feel anything at all and still has no arm pain. Second dose in 6 weeks, can't come soon enough.

 

[Revan]

But if he said what was reported I'd suspect cognitive impairment or severe mental illness.

To be fair, from the article @pocco posted, he said that the vaccinations caused variants (not that the vaccinations will kill us all). Which to some degree is true, effective vaccines will either kill the virus, or make it evolve faster to be able to avoid the vaccine. So what he said was fairly trivial.

Of course, the nonsense that we are doing wrong by vaccinating is just nonsense. The numbers are going fast down just because of this, and so far, the vaccines (especially the two good ones) seem effective against all variants.

 

[Penna]

First vaccine done. All good, worst part was the tension leading into it to be honest. The jab itself was a bit of a bad pinch feeling and my arm is a little sore now 1 hour out. My girlfriend actually got it done at the same time and she didn't feel anything at all and still has no arm pain. Second dose in 6 weeks, can't come soon enough.

Everyone is different - we have different skin thickness, different arm musculature and of course, some nurses or doctors are better than others at giving jabs.

 

[stu_1992]

Everyone is different - we have different skin thickness, different arm musculature and of course, some nurses or doctors are better than others at giving jabs.

Absolutely. It makes sense and I'm not complaining. Just sharing the experience I had. It was quite cool actually, they let us get it done together so we had the same nurse/doctor and were the room for each other's jab.

 

[Wibble]

To be fair, from the article @pocco posted, he said that the vaccinations caused variants (not that the vaccinations will kill us all). Which to some degree is true, effective vaccines will either kill the virus, or make it evolve faster to be able to avoid the vaccine. So what he said was fairly trivial.

Of course, the nonsense that we are doing wrong by vaccinating is just nonsense. The numbers are going fast down just because of this, and so far, the vaccines (especially the two good ones) seem effective against all variants.

It was this that, if reported correctly, was the insane bit.

One I saw was from a leading French medial expert in this field, saying that people that have the jab will be dead within 2 years and incinerated

 

[golden_blunder]

Had my 2nd Moderna shot this afternoon. The nurse said to me that because of the type of vaccine I should expect getting flu like responses. Tonight I feel like I’ve been battered. Sore bones. Hopefully no chills will start

 

[utdalltheway]

Good job Geebs.
That should be a nice relief for you.

 

[Klopper76]

Getting my first jab tomorrow. Keep telling my fiancé I’m going to shout ‘Fauci ouchie!’ when I get my jab (she’s getting hers just before me).

 

[rcoobc]

Got my jab Tomorrow!!!

 

[711]

Had my 2nd Moderna shot this afternoon. The nurse said to me that because of the type of vaccine I should expect getting flu like responses. Tonight I feel like I’ve been battered. Sore bones. Hopefully no chills will start

I don't know how it works, I've had two AZs and no reaction whatsoever. Still it's the protection that matters, 2 or 3 weeks to wait and you'll feel a weight off your shoulders.

 

[Solius]

I don't know how it works, I've had two AZs and no reaction whatsoever. Still it's the protection that matters, 2 or 3 weeks to wait and you'll feel a weight off your shoulders.

Weird side effect to have.

 

[711]

Weird side effect to have.

He's a simple Aussie, you can tell him anything.

 

[Revan]

It was this that, if reported correctly, was the insane bit.

I guess he did his research on YouTube listening to Alex Jones.

 

[Suv666]

Got the jab.. Covishield (AZ)
Feel uneasy not sure if that's the vaccine or anxiety

 

[Solius]

30 and 31 year olds can now book in the UK.

 

[golden_blunder]

Good job Geebs.
That should be a nice relief for you.

It’s a relief in a way that you’re relieved to be suffering from a bad flu. Can’t wait till it does it’s stuff

 

[jojojo]

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And on Wales approach to vaccination generally. Basically they've run two parallel programs - AZ over 40, Pfizer for 18-39 - and sidestepped the gradual "go down the agegroups" plan used in England and Scotland.

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[Pogue Mahone]

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And on Wales approach to vaccination generally. Basically they've run two parallel programs - AZ over 40, Pfizer for 18-39 - and sidestepped the gradual "go down the agegroups" plan used in England and Scotland.

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Presumably there must be at least some Welsh towns/cities with similar demographics to NW England. Has the Indian variant got any kind of foothold in Wales at all?

 

[groovyalbert]

Had my second AZ shot two days ago. About an hour after, had abdominal pain and slightly blurred vision. Feeling a lot better now, but have had two days in bed with a temperature/aches. Seems to be clearing up nicely though now.

So weird, had absolutely no side-effects bar a sore arms after my first.

Still - absolutely buzzing to have got it all done!

 

[Pexbo]

Had my second AZ shot two days ago. About an hour after, had abdominal pain and slightly blurred vision. Feeling a lot better now, but have had two days in bed with a temperature/aches. Seems to be clearing up nicely though now.

So weird, had absolutely no side-effects bar a sore arms after my first.

Still - absolutely buzzing to have got it all done!

It’s a good thing, suggests you had no immune response last time and your body has learnt to produce an immune response now.

 

[Dumbstar]

Had my second AZ shot two days ago. About an hour after, had abdominal pain and slightly blurred vision. Feeling a lot better now, but have had two days in bed with a temperature/aches. Seems to be clearing up nicely though now.

So weird, had absolutely no side-effects bar a sore arms after my first.

Still - absolutely buzzing to have got it all done!

Congratulations, the rest of your life before you're incinerated in two years begins now!

 

[jojojo]

Presumably there must be at least some Welsh towns/cities with similar demographics to NW England. Has the Indian variant got any kind of foothold in Wales at all?

They've got such low case rates at the moment that mutation data is more like background noise. The daily case numbers for the whole of Wales are around 40/day - whereas we're looking at 150+ cases/day in Bolton alone.

That's not to say it couldn't take off suddenly - it's just that I wouldn't look to Wales for data on mutations at the moment.

 

[Cooksen]

As an Aussie in my late 20s I think I will be getting fully vaccinated sometime in 2022 at the earliest.

Scotty from Marketing and the libs have fecked it up at an astounding level.

 

[DixieDean]

I just hope the vaccines work as advertised. Hospital admissions in the UK are starting to creep up, again.

 

[DixieDean]

As an Aussie in my late 20s I think I will be getting fully vaccinated sometime in 2022 at the earliest.

Scotty from Marketing and the libs have fecked it up at an astounding level.

But on the plus side, you don't have 100,000 plus dead.

 

[zing]

It’s a good thing, suggests you had no immune response last time and your body has learnt to produce an immune response now.

Is that true? If you don't have a reaction to the vaccine, does that mean you're less protected?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I just hope the vaccines work as advertised. Hospital admissions in the UK are starting to creep up, again.

Even working exactly as advertised we can expect a lot of vaccinated people to get sick and some of them will end up in hospital. Although the vast majority of those recent admissions are likely to be young/unvaccinated.

 

[DixieDean]

Is that true? If you don't have a reaction to the vaccine, does that mean you're less protected?

I don't think that's true. At least from what I read up on it.

 

[11101]

30+ opened up here earlier today. First jabs early-mid June second a month later. From next week the whole of Italy will be able to book.

 

[golden_blunder]

Had my second Moderna yesterday!
initially has a sore arm, by night time I had heat everywhere over my body, every bone hurt, a little blurred vision, staggering and so so tired. This morning was still groggy, lay in bed till 10am. As the day has gone by I’ve felt much better, I think tomorrow after a good sleep I’ll be grand!

 

[Penna]

Had my second Moderna yesterday!
initially has a sore arm, by night time I had heat everywhere over my body, every bone hurt, a little blurred vision, staggering and so so tired. This morning was still groggy, lay in bed till 10am. As the day has gone by I’ve felt much better, I think tomorrow after a good sleep I’ll be grand!

Sorry about those side effects, but I'm really glad you're "done" now.