The vaccines | vaxxed boosted unvaxxed? New poll

[Buster15]

I know nothing about the subject but I wouldn't suggest the Covid vaccine is risk-free.



You do not seem to be an expert at detecting irony.



Did you work on something related to the Covid vaccine?

If the answer is negative, I don't know why you feel superior... If the answer is positive, please join us

And it was you who said that I know nothing about the effects of the vaccine.
Well at least you have admitted that it is actually you who know nothing....

 

[Roane]

Had booster today at 11am. Very quick process even though a couple pushed in when it was my turn.

Slightly worrying that there was no social distancing. This was at my GPs.

Pfizer x3 for me. Slightly sore arm

 

[Withnail]

Are there any benefits for younger people in catching Omicron if it proves to be mild and gaining immunity that way rather than being boosted? Most the elderly and vulnerable must be boosted and safe for 6 months or so in the UK now surely?

The safest option is the booster. Even if Omicorn is milder in general, you could be one of the unlucky ones who ends up in hospital.

I just don't understand why anyone would want to take that risk. As for getting covid in order to be immune from covid I mean surely you see the flaw in that logic?

 

[Vidyoyo]

Had it earlier. Moderna booster after 2x Pfizer shots.

Arm's a little sore and I'm feeling a bit sleepy, though I always feel sleepy.

 

[McGrathsipan]

I see an article that the Astra zeneca vaccine has no effect of Omicron


At the same time, a study by the UK Health and Security Agency (UKHSA) revealed the reduced effect of vaccines as Omicron spreads - with even a double-dose of AstraZeneca providing no effect against symptomatic infection from the variant from 20 weeks after the second jab.

For the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, effectiveness dropped to 10% after the same period.

Does that mean someone that had the AZ jabs are back at square one- do they need another double vaccine before the booster? feck me

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I see an article that the Astra zeneca vaccine has no effect of Omicron


At the same time, a study by the UK Health and Security Agency (UKHSA) revealed the reduced effect of vaccines as Omicron spreads - with even a double-dose of AstraZeneca providing no effect against symptomatic infection from the variant from 20 weeks after the second jab.

For the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, effectiveness dropped to 10% after the same period.

Does that mean someone that had the AZ jabs are back at square one- do they need another double vaccine before the booster? feck me

Really important to remember that vaccine efficacy should be considered in terms of protection against infection and protection against severe disease.

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[jojojo]

I see an article that the Astra zeneca vaccine has no effect of Omicron


At the same time, a study by the UK Health and Security Agency (UKHSA) revealed the reduced effect of vaccines as Omicron spreads - with even a double-dose of AstraZeneca providing no effect against symptomatic infection from the variant from 20 weeks after the second jab.

For the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, effectiveness dropped to 10% after the same period.

Does that mean someone that had the AZ jabs are back at square one- do they need another double vaccine before the booster? feck me

In summary: no - absolutely not! In fact a booster of Pfizer will not only get them up to maximum effectiveness against Delta (95% +), it will give them good protection against Omicron as well. Maybe 75% protection against any infection (that is they're 3x less likely than an unvaxxed person to catch it at all) and additional protection against hospitalisation even if you do catch it.

 

[Offside]

I see an article that the Astra zeneca vaccine has no effect of Omicron


At the same time, a study by the UK Health and Security Agency (UKHSA) revealed the reduced effect of vaccines as Omicron spreads - with even a double-dose of AstraZeneca providing no effect against symptomatic infection from the variant from 20 weeks after the second jab.

For the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, effectiveness dropped to 10% after the same period.

Does that mean someone that had the AZ jabs are back at square one- do they need another double vaccine before the booster? feck me

No. Symptomatic is very different to getting seriously ill.

 

[choccy77]

Had my booster Wednesday and for probably 36 hours felt really bad.

Still not 100% but better than yesterday

 

[McGrathsipan]

Thanks lads. That's a relief.
Those headlines cause stress for people like me that aren't medically minded

 

[Bebe]

Really important to remember that vaccine efficacy should be considered in terms of protection against infection and protection against severe disease.

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Let's see what the boosted immunity looks like in a few months, my guess is it won't hold up.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Let's see what the boosted immunity looks like in a few months, my guess is it won't hold up.

I predict your guess is going to be proved wrong. Protection against severe disease has consistently held up well, despite waning efficacy against infection.

 

[Bebe]

I predict your guess is going to be proved wrong. Protection against severe disease has consistently held up well, despite waning efficacy against infection.

Well, my guess isn't contained to ICU admissions. What I'm saying I'd imagine that efficacy will wane in a similar manner to what it has so far.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Boostered! Half shot of Moderna, about two hours in. So far so good.

 

[11101]

Boostered! Half shot of Moderna, about two hours in. So far so good.

Good luck. You've got about 8 hours left.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Good luck. You've got about 8 hours left.

my second shot was Moderna and it hit me after three hours. I've just passed that mark so hoping for an easier ride this time.

 

[RoadTrip]

Is the technical term “boostered” or “boosted”?!

 

[jojojo]

Is the technical term “boostered” or “boosted”?!

Boosted really but boostered sounds tastier.

 

[jojojo]

my second shot was Moderna and it hit me after three hours. I've just passed that mark so hoping for an easier ride this time.

There will be someone along to punch you in the arm in the morning.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

There will be someone along to punch you in the arm in the morning.

Heh. The arm is sore but less so than the previous ones.

 

[Penna]

Boosted really but boostered sounds tastier.

Dwayne is boosted, the nurse boostered him. Possibly.

 

[Dante]

Dwayne is boosted, the nurse boostered him. Possibly.

Ooh, matron.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Dwayne is boosted, the nurse boostered him. Possibly.

I never kiss and tell.

 

[Mr Anderson]

My wife’s doctor had boosters left over, so we got the call to go in last week ahead of the national rollout.

glad I got it, but can’t go feckin anywhere anyway so feels a little wasted getting it - but the time we get out again will probably need a 4th shot. Vicious circle but at least strains will get weaker and weaker.

 

[Wibble]

Let's see what the boosted immunity looks like in a few months, my guess is it won't hold up.

Why?

At the moment we aren't really dealing with an abnormal decline in vaccine efficacy. Vaccines produce antibodies that normally decline over time. Memory cells then do the heavy lifting, often for many years. At the moment we are advising third shots to a) keep active antibodies going as memory cells take longer to react b) minimise serious disease to a new highly infectious variant.

Eventually we will move to an endemic state with probably 1 dominant variant (quite possibly Omicron), the world will be highly vaccinated and much of the rest with some immunity from infection. Then "boosters" will only be needed if memory cells decline significantly (often takes years) or another variant occurs (which grows far less likely as the world vaccinates and where the dominant variant is already highly infectious).

 

[Wibble]

My wife’s doctor had boosters left over, so we got the call to go in last week ahead of the national rollout.

glad I got it, but can’t go feckin anywhere anyway so feels a little wasted getting it - but the time we get out again will probably need a 4th shot. Vicious circle but at least strains will get weaker and weaker.

You are still far better protected against serious disease. So well worth it.

Sadly there is no expectation of any new variant being more or less harmful as all strains so far haven't caused significant mortality factors enough to halt the spread. Omicron's is more infectious and seemingly a bit less harmful but those two things go aren't neccesarily connected as differnt mutations my be the cause of each.

 

[Wibble]

Ooh, matron.

Note to self: no little prick jokes

 

[Mr Anderson]

You are still far better protected against serious disease. So well worth it.

Sadly there is no expectation of any new variant being more or less harmful as all strains so far haven't caused significant mortality factors enough to halt the spread. Omicron's is more infectious and seemingly a bit less harmful but those two things go aren't neccesarily connected as differnt mutations my be the cause of each.

Ah true. Just annoying that (outside of spikes) we get our vaccine or booster and it’s still the same restrictions as those who neglect to get vaccinated. Businesses here crippled (Ireland). Would like to see a path back to normality as the economy just can’t sustain a stop/start every few months.

 

[Wibble]

Ah true. Just annoying that (outside of spikes) we get our vaccine or booster and it’s still the same restrictions as those who neglect to get vaccinated. Businesses here crippled (Ireland). Would like to see a path back to normality as the economy just can’t sustain a stop/start every few months.

100% agree.

 

[Penna]

Ah true. Just annoying that (outside of spikes) we get our vaccine or booster and it’s still the same restrictions as those who neglect to get vaccinated. Businesses here crippled (Ireland). Would like to see a path back to normality as the economy just can’t sustain a stop/start every few months.

Italy's approach is that the inconvenience must now fall on the unvaccinated. The Green Pass and Super Green Pass (the latter is the one showing you've had the booster) are now being required for virtually everything, including quite basic things like public transport. The option to show a negative test in lieu has been removed, and now only applies to the workplace.

If you have a Super Green Pass you can still eat in restaurants, go to bars and anything that's still open. If you haven't been vaccinated, you can't do much of anything.

I read yesterday that a McDonalds and a restaurant in our region had been closed for 5 days and fined because staff didn't ask to see someone's Green Pass - unfortunately that someone was a police officer.

 

[Stanley Road]

Italy's approach is that the inconvenience must now fall on the unvaccinated. The Green Pass and Super Green Pass (the latter is the one showing you've had the booster) are now being required for virtually everything, including quite basic things like public transport. The option to show a negative test in lieu has been removed, and now only applies to the workplace.

If you have a Super Green Pass you can still eat in restaurants, go to bars and anything that's still open. If you haven't been vaccinated, you can't do much of anything.

I read yesterday that a McDonalds and a restaurant in our region had been closed for 5 days and fined because staff didn't ask to see someone's Green Pass - unfortunately that someone was a police officer.

I hope NL goes this route, they are finally starting to realise that they cant keep punishing the vaxxed because of a few nutters. They are now talking about 2G

 

[Vidic_In_Moscow]

I don’t know why they don’t just round up and arrest all unvaccinated people tbh, life would be dandy again.

 

[slyadams]

My BIL is not anti-vax but is generally anti-medicine in that he doesn’t like taking stuff for anything really (e.g. won’t take paracetamol for a headache). His partner and parents are all boosted and his position has caused quite a few issues. I don’t get it.

 

[calodo2003]

My BIL is not anti-vax but is generally anti-medicine in that he doesn’t like taking stuff for anything really (e.g. won’t take paracetamol for a headache). His partner and parents are all boosted and his position has caused quite a few issues. I don’t get it.

We’ll, at least he’s consistent.

 

[slyadams]

We’ll, at least he’s consistent.

Yeah. I asked my wife "if he got cancer would he get chemo?" and she was like "dunno". All very weird. He drinks quite a bit as well, so its not like "my body is my temple" (although he is very fit, runs a lot etc.). When COVID first hit he was saying he thought it was a Chinese conspiracy to take down the western economies. He's really not a bad guy, just a bit odd in some of his thoughts/beliefs.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Well, it took a bit longer to feel shit yesterday compared to the last dose of Moderna but I feel better this morning for the most part. No more muscle aches and my joints are only a little sore. I have bit of a headache but it's nothing like the headaches I usually get so no big deal.

 

[RUUD_10_LEGEND]

Had my third Pfizer earlier today. Awaiting the sore arm like with the first two, but if that's the only side effect then I'm happy.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Seems like Moderna = 24 hours of aches and pains, for me anyway.

 

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