The vaccines | vaxxed boosted unvaxxed? New poll

How's your immunity looking? Had covid - vote twice - vax status and then again for infection status

  • Vaxxed but no booster

  • Boostered

  • Still waiting in queue for first vaccine dose

  • Won't get vaxxed (unless I have to for travel/work etc)

  • Past infection with covid + I've been vaccinated

  • Past infection with covid - I've not been vaccinated

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Pogue Mahone said:
Wow. What do you need the Green Pass to be able to do?
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The Super Green Pass (fully-jabbed or recent recovery, negative tests not accepted) will be needed for:
All restaurants and bars, for both indoor and outdoor dining, including in hotels
All public transport, including local buses
School buses serving children aged 12 and up
Hotels
Ski lifts
All indoor and outdoor swimming pools, wellness centres, gyms and team sports facilities, including changing rooms
All indoor and outdoor spas and thermal baths except for “essential rehabilitation or therapeutic treatments”
Museums, exhibitions and cultural venues, including libraries
Celebrations relating to religious or civil ceremonies
Fairs, festivals, conventions and conferences
Theme parks
Indoor and outdoor cultural, social and recreational centres (excluding educational centres for children)
Games rooms, betting rooms, bingo halls and casinos
Indoor theatres, cinemas and concert halls
Sports stadiums and events
Visits to residential and care homes (either a booster dose or a negative test is also required here)
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https://www.thelocal.it/20220107/where-youll-need-italys-covid-vaccine-pass-from-january-10th/
 
I was watching some John Campbell videos earlier. A mate of mine was convinced Ivermectin was great for Covid and there's a conspiracy to hold it back by big Pharma.

So I watched some of John's video's and on the surface of it he looks legitimate. Has 'Dr' in his title which is a great start, and speaks well and looks sincere, but after delving into it all the conclusion I came to is he's just a bit of a chancer, his 'analysis' of data and medical studies is a bit of a joke in all honesty. I saw this one his did on Japan and Ivermectin and the argument he put across was embarrassingly weak.

It got me thinking, these sort of 'influencers' if you can call him that, or anyone basically who makes money from blabbing on the internet, are getting incentivised to take-up fringe/loony positions because they get way more traction - and this is evidenced by him making loads of Ivermectin videos. I find this quite frightening.
 
Tarrou said:
I was watching some John Campbell videos earlier. A mate of mine was convinced Ivermectin was great for Covid and there's a conspiracy to hold it back by big Pharma.

So I watched some of John's video's and on the surface of it he looks legitimate. Has 'Dr' in his title which is a great start, and speaks well and looks sincere, but after delving into it all the conclusion I came to is he's just a bit of a chancer, his 'analysis' of data and medical studies is a bit of a joke in all honesty. I saw this one his did on Japan and Ivermectin and the argument he put across was embarrassingly weak.

It got me thinking, these sort of 'influencers' if you can call him that, or anyone basically who makes money from blabbing on the internet, are getting incentivised to take-up fringe/loony positions because they get way more traction - and this is evidenced by him making loads of Ivermectin videos. I find this quite frightening.
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Yup. And it’s a phenomenon that goes waaaaay beyond covid.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
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The stats on ICU admissions are extraordinary really. Presenting them in terms of the rate per 100k of population is a good move as well. It's too easy to miss just how powerful the effect of the vaccines have been.

The vaccines come out looking all the more impressive when you remember that most people who know (or suspect) they're at risk will have been vaccinated and had boosters as soon as they got the offer. Which means that the unvaxxed in those ICU admission charts have mostly decided that they were fit and healthy enough not to need a vaccine.
 
Pablo76 said:
I’ve posted this elsewhere also but I’d like a genuine take on it from others.

Why has it just become law for any care home workers, community carers or support workers to be double jabbed or face the sack but NHS workers can do whatever the feck they like?

Is it just me or is there something seriously wrong with this?

On top of this, I’m reading NHS workers slating the unvaccinated patients taking up beds yet they aren’t having to confirm themselves. What am I missing here or is it some weird irony?
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My time for booster aint yet but is there big difference between Moderna vs Pfizer as 3rd shot?
 


UK churning out loads of great data about vaccine efficacy. Here’s a focus on people aged 65+ (i.e. the most at risk and the cohort in whom vaccines consistently work least well) Note the fairly steep drop off in protection vs symptomatic infection. Although also note that there is still some protection, providing a booster is taken.

Protection against serious disease/hospitalisation is excellent and long lasting. And worth bearing in mind that this is against a variant where hospitalisation rates are relatively low to begin with.
 
Pogue Mahone said:


UK churning out loads of great data about vaccine efficacy. Here’s a focus on people aged 65+ (i.e. the most at risk and the cohort in whom vaccines consistently work least well) Note the fairly steep drop off in protection vs symptomatic infection. Although also note that there is still some protection, providing a booster is taken.

Protection against serious disease/hospitalisation is excellent and long lasting. And worth bearing in mind that this is against a variant where hospitalisation rates are relatively low to begin with.
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That is excellent news.
 
A colleague of mine is currently super pissed about this tweet from SC’s department of health and pissed at me because I simply responded “but are they lying?”.

 
calodo2003 said:
What’s their issue with it?
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1) “they shouldn’t be blaming the unvaccinated”

2) “the vaccine doesn’t help prevent infection”

3) “I got vaccinated and still caught Covid”

I think #3 is really coloring his judgment, because I responded to #2 and he asked for data, so I sent it to him, to which he “called bullshit on it”… Okay big fella, feel free to publish your own…
 
calodo2003 said:
Oh, no doubt, but I’m curious as to what their issue exactly is. Is the tweet too political, do they feel slighted for being a dumbass, etc.?
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I think that fundamentally we are in the "Don't tell me what to do, you are not my dad!" kind of phase.
 
Carolina Red said:
1) “they shouldn’t be blaming the unvaccinated”

2) “the vaccine doesn’t help prevent infection”

3) “I got vaccinated and still caught Covid”

I think #3 is really coloring his judgment, because I responded to #2 and he asked for data, so I sent it to him, to which he “called bullshit on it”… Okay big fella, feel free to publish your own…
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I was wrong. About 3 did you ask him about his symptoms? Because it seems that many vaccinated people undervalue the fact that their mild or even asymptomatic infections are partially linked to being vaccinated. Some seem to think that a vaccine only works if they don't get infected which makes little sense when you are surrounded by the virus, it is going to get in at some point.
 
JPRouve said:
I was wrong. About 3 did you ask him about his symptoms? Because it seems that many vaccinated people undervalue the fact that their mild or even asymptomatic infections are partially linked to being vaccinated. Some seem to think that a vaccine only works if they don't get infected which makes little sense when you are surrounded by the virus, it is going to get in at some point.
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He’s all hung up on the fact that he got it at all… so since he got it that means more vaccinated people wouldn’t bring down the testing rate brought about by more infections. He is refusing to realize that even if the vaccine is 30% effective at preventing omicron infection (most recent number I’ve seen), that still means it is a reduction in cases vs people being unvaccinated.

Which is ridiculous, because he’s a damned social studies teacher and should know better.
 
Yeah, unfortunately there seems to be a massive misconception amongst certain people that if you get vaccinated but still get Cold, it somehow invalidates the vaccine. As opposed to looking at it from the POV that if you wasn't vaccinated your symptoms could have been (probably WOULD have been) much worse and could possibly lead to hospitalisation.

From a personal POV, both my parents were double jabbed (my mother actually had the booster as well) and they still both had Covid. But we chose to look at it from the perspective of "well, you were really rough with it, but just imagine how bad you would have been if you never had the vaccine". And the data seems to back that up.
 
I’ve never understood why drop in protection from symptomatic infection gets top billing in these stories as opposed to protection against what actually matters which is hospital admission and death. The latter is always an incidental titbit buried further down in the articles to the point where few times friends have defended their choice not to be vaccinated based on those articles that they think evidence he vaccine doesn’t work anyway.

It probably will save your life but the big news is it’s not that effective against a runny nose
 
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Carolina Red said:
He’s all hung up on the fact that he got it at all… so since he got it that means more vaccinated people wouldn’t bring down the testing rate brought about by more infections. He is refusing to realize that even if the vaccine is 30% effective at preventing omicron infection (most recent number I’ve seen), that still means it is a reduction in cases vs people being unvaccinated.

Which is ridiculous, because he’s a damned social studies teacher and should know better.
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That's sad to hear. It's common anti vax propaganda now. "You'll still get infected" "What's the point?" etc etc

Vaccines still offer protection against severe disease, which is the point. You're also less likely to get infected and even if you are infected, your infectious period is a lot shorter because you recover faster. Which is a bonus.

I hope your friend comes around eventually, Carolina Red

Even for me, I got PPM and I just got infected when I got back from my holiday in Thailand. I fully understand the risks and my lifestyle of booze morning, day and night didn't help either. I'm not complaining the vaccines didn't work. Just thankful I only got positive after I came home. Which in no small part is probably due to the vaccines in the first place.
 
Last I read a few days ago the UK government was still against the fourth dose of the vaccine.

My father has just been contacted by his GP's office and booked in for a fourth jab. He had cancer a few years ago and although he wasnt on the vulnerable list for dose 1 and 2, he was early to get the 3rd jab.

So did the government change their mind? Is the GP getting paid per dose?
 
11101 said:
Last I read a few days ago the UK government was still against the fourth dose of the vaccine.

My father has just been contacted by his GP's office and booked in for a fourth jab. He had cancer a few years ago and although he wasnt on the vulnerable list for dose 1 and 2, he was early to get the 3rd jab.

So did the government change their mind? Is the GP getting paid per dose?
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It'll almost certainly be something that put him on the GP database vulnerable list. Maybe a drug he was prescribed during treatment, or for maintenance or a vulnerability it left him with. The list gets updated as they get new data in, but it sometimes throws up anomalies as well.

In principle anyone considered to be immune-compromised could appear on this version of the vulnerable list - in which case they are treating it as a fourth dose. If he's not sure why he's there, he could check with his GP or his hospital care team if he's still getting regular checkups.
 
jojojo said:
It'll almost certainly be something that put him on the GP database vulnerable list. Maybe a drug he was prescribed during treatment, or for maintenance or a vulnerability it left him with. The list gets updated as they get new data in, but it sometimes throws up anomalies as well.

In principle anyone considered to be immune-compromised could appear on this version of the vulnerable list - in which case they are treating it as a fourth dose. If he's not sure why he's there, he could check with his GP or his hospital care team if he's still getting regular checkups.
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Yeah they have told him he's on their vulnerable list (dose 1 and 2 were not done by the GP), though there's nothing actually wrong with him, he was discharged years ago. I just didn't think they were giving the 4th dose to anybody yet.
 
11101 said:
Yeah they have told him he's on their vulnerable list (dose 1 and 2 were not done by the GP), though there's nothing actually wrong with him, he was discharged years ago. I just didn't think they were giving the 4th dose to anybody yet.
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That was a general policy statement from the JCVI - to say they didn't plan to follow the Israeli model and start a second round of boosters for all over 70s/carehome residents immediately.

They approved a fourth dose for some people before Christmas (they describe it as a three dose course followed by a booster in some of the documents):
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/covid-19/vaccines/covid-19-vaccination-programme
Severely immunosuppressed individuals who have completed their primary course (three doses) should be offered a booster dose with a minimum of three months between the third primary and booster dose.

Those who have not yet received their third dose may be given the third dose now to be able to receive their further booster dose in three months. This is in line with the clinical advice on optimal timing.
 
In Ireland -

Census 2016 shows the population of the primary school age group (5-12) stood at 548,693, So you can tack on of few thousand more over the last 5 years I reckon - give or take.

The Health Service has said that as of yesterday, there were around 95,000 children aged 5-11 years registered for a Covid-19 vaccination.

So even if you say that there are 500k between 5 and 11 - less than 1/4 of them have been put forward by parents for a jab and its open for kids a good while now.

What do you think of that @Pogue Mahone
 
McGrathsipan said:
In Ireland -

Census 2016 shows the population of the primary school age group (5-12) stood at 548,693, So you can tack on of few thousand more over the last 5 years I reckon - give or take.

The Health Service has said that as of yesterday, there were around 95,000 children aged 5-11 years registered for a Covid-19 vaccination.

So even if you say that there are 500k between 5 and 11 - less than 1/4 of them have been put forward by parents for a jab and its open for kids a good while now.

What do you think of that @Pogue Mahone
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I think it’s understandable. From the child’s perspective covid poses almost no threat at all. So I can understand why parents might not want to vaccinate their kids when there’s so little upside at an individual level.

I’m actually still on the fence about my own 10 year old. I vaccinated the 12 year old because he just started senior school and I didn’t want him having to sit out for two weeks if it could be avoided when he’s still settling in. Don’t really care if his wee sister misses some primary school, where she’s already very well settled. She’d probably be happy out!
 
I’ve a six year-old daughter, no plans currently to have her vaccinated.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I think it’s understandable. From the child’s perspective covid poses almost no threat at all. So I can understand why parents might not want to vaccinate their kids when there’s so little upside at an individual level.

I’m actually still on the fence about my own 10 year old. I vaccinated the 12 year old because he just started senior school and I didn’t want him having to sit out for two weeks if it could be avoided when he’s still settling in. Don’t really care if his wee sister misses some primary school, where she’s already very well settled. She’d probably be happy out!
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My lads are 9 and 6.
I've no plans to get them done.
 
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