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Gone under the radar. When did he become such a shit player? Playing for both club and country on name alone.
Come off it, he's been terrible for ages. Eerily similar to Rooney's career.Playing for club on name only is utter bullshit. He had a very good season for Bayern and that Ancelotti season was the only bad season he ever had for Bayern. Lot of cyclejerk involved here, although is WC certainly was shit. Problem is his position, really, he was always best playing more behind a sole striker.
Same here. I almost cried when Bayern wouldn't even entertain the thought of a 100m transfer.Used to love him but he’s looked terrible anytime I’ve seen him recently.
I liked him a lot too, but it has nothing to do with hunger, IMO. Combination of good form, luck, and intelligence alone was never enough too last as a top player for years, he always lacked basic football quality in his legs to last as a top player.guess he lost hunger after the won everything and his type of player is finished when that happens, sad to see as i liked him a lot when he was at his best.
Be careful when you criticize Muller.Come off it, he's been terrible for ages. Eerily similar to Rooney's career.
He had the most assists in a team that won the league and reached the CL semis, so yeah, he’s been horseshit. Since that Ancelotti season it’s just a bunch of people going „ha, I always knew it!“ and they won’t let it go.Be careful when you criticize Muller.
I remember posting something in the pre world cup thread about how Muller could struggle in the WC as he has been out of form for some time and 2,3 German posters got very angry reading that post.
They claimed he has been world class since Jan and that he had 6 goals and few assists in the last 12 games, newbies don't know shite, must demote newbies, comment only if you watch Muller play week in week out etc
disagree, luck has nothing to do with it....to say it was down to luck and good form it would be possible if Muller had a good year but the guy plays at the highest level for almost a decade now so no it wasnt down to luck and good form it was down to his quality and hard work.I liked him a lot too, but it has nothing to do with hunger, IMO. Combination of good form, luck, and intelligence alone was never enough too last as a top player for years, he always lacked basic football quality in his legs to last as a top player.
Germany were dreadful in the last third, all the attackers were isolated and were receiving the ball at the wrong time in the wrong way. Basically France against Denmark but three times.just saw a tweet on Mullers 2018 world cup stats - 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 key passes, 0 dribbles completee, 4 passes completed / 6% pass completion.
WTF - That cant bright, surely? 6% pass completion...
Definitely wrong.just saw a tweet on Mullers 2018 world cup stats - 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 key passes, 0 dribbles completee, 4 passes completed / 6% pass completion.
WTF - That cant bright, surely? 6% pass completion...
Agree.I can't understand the people saying he only had one bad season under Ancelotti.
2016 bad in the Euros - 0 goals
2016/17 bad season
2017/18 average season - no impact in the most important games of the season: vs Real x2 and Frankfurt in the Cup final
2018 bad WC - 0 goals
You can say Germany was very bad in the WC, but that doesn't explain his poor showing in the Euros when Germany reached the Semi Finals. Also, even though the attack was disjointed, several players managed to do much better than Muller. Reus, Brandt, Werner were all much more dangerous, Ozil usually had good passes and created some chances while even Gomez managed to get one assist.
That adds up to 2 seasons and 2 tournaments of woefully bad performances. Not a fluke and not a temporary decline.
He is very much like Rooney in the sense that he still produces some decent numbers against cannon fodder in the league.
In terms of performances however, he is much more like a shit Jesse Lingard. Without the occasional screamer in big matches. And the fluid movement. And the energetic pressing.
He’s been one of the elite footballers for nearly a decade and you think is down to form and luck? That must be a jokeI liked him a lot too, but it has nothing to do with hunger, IMO. Combination of good form, luck, and intelligence alone was never enough too last as a top player for years, he always lacked basic football quality in his legs to last as a top player.
You can't play him anywhere else. He had his best times in the national team on the right wing. That's where he scored his goals and played in the big tournaments.Agree.
He’s not looked great since Peps last season and even then he was dropped towards the end.
Playing him on the wing isn’t something he needs to be doing approaching 30 though too.
There is no way he only completed 4 passes.just saw a tweet on Mullers 2018 world cup stats - 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 key passes, 0 dribbles completee, 4 passes completed / 6% pass completion.
WTF - That cant bright, surely? 6% pass completion...
He is definitely the worst technician and passer in the German team and I'd even say by quite a distance. Defenders, Neuer and Ter Stegen included. Maybe Rüdiger is worse.The idea that hes bad at passing, or even that he's been average for years is silly. Even this season he's been good. He's just not as good as he used to be.
Completely agree with this and a great summing up.The simple truth is, Müller has been average at best for years. He's everybody's darling. The media loves him because he's simply a likeable character, makes jokes with journalists and provides funny stories. The fans love him because he seems like an average, humble and hard working bloke who could be the neighbour's son and Germans just love these types of players. And Bayern's officials love him because he's from their academy, popular among the fans and someone to identify with. Bayern always wins the league and the cup against very weak competition,so there is not that much pressure (and if there is, players less popular among the fans and the staff are in the spot light) and the national team qualifies easily for every WC (also due to weak competition). Not much reason to question such a popular person..
In fact, nobody criticizes Müller when he's had a bad performance and I think he just buys it himself and isn't too critical towards his contribution anymore. Özil would never get away with the kind of matches Müller has had. People look at Özil with so much prejudices (talented but lazy, no identification and all this bullshit) and once he makes an imprecise pass or loses a duel, they feel confirmed in their opinions. Müller is the exact opposite, he always gets away with it even if he has far worse performances and constantly is the weakest player in the team. If you point this out you get responses like "yes, he's been weak, but it's Müller, he can always score!"
And you see the result. Müller always has to play and he never gets questioned. Managers, coaches and fans alike are completely blind to his flaws and he's essentially imune to criticism. You don't see his brillant runs or game intelligence anymore. His game primarily consists of playing passes into the opponents feet or receiving the ball on the wing and playing dumb crosses without spin or inspiration in the box although the only player occupying it is Timo Werner. I honestly can't remember one good play of him in this WC. The best is probably a situation in which he showed his general awareness and let a pass intentionally go through for a team mate in the penalty area against Sweden. Symptomatic that his best moment happened when he decided to not touch the ball.
I don't want to bash him, I really like him as a character, but he should be nowhere near the starting eleven in this form. He's completely lost what made him a world class attacker and what remains (his technical skills) is and has always been underwhelming so that he's effectively a liability when he plays, especially when you have hungry and much more talented guys like Brandt or Sane in the second row. If you ask me, he shouldn't have started a single game at this WC and it is scandalous that he was subbed on before Brandt in the last game. I really hope that there will be an radical reformation in the national team after this tournament.
2 key passes a game this season. Thats more than any of our players other than SanchezHe is definitely the worst technician and passer in the German team and I'd even say by quite a distance. Defenders, Neuer and Ter Stegen included. Maybe Rüdiger is worse.
And no, he wasn't good this season. Getting some scorers in a league that your team wins without even trying doesn't translate to a good season for me.
This is why I wonder if people even watch games or just watch twitter anymore.....no player in their right mind who played 3 games would have those stats in a world cup.just saw a tweet on Mullers 2018 world cup stats - 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 key passes, 0 dribbles completee, 4 passes completed / 6% pass completion.
WTF - That cant bright, surely? 6% pass completion...