A lot of Tuchel talk and proactiveness because he's positioned himself for the role unilaterally.
But if I were to ask say, Amorim or Tuchel - whats the consensus?
But if I were to ask say, Amorim or Tuchel - whats the consensus?
Thoughts on Tuchel as a potential United manager?
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Tuchel’s agent touting him about.
No expert on Portuguese league but Amorim, I think, has higher ceiling in terms of style of football and no sign of some of Tuchel's peccadilloes/tendency to quarrel with upper management. On flipside, Tuchel has PL experience and established sense of what the league needs, experience under greater scrutiny in relative terms (Sporting are huge domestically, but, again, so are Ajax); greater European CV and reputation - even if it's not untarnished - and would make sense for a 3 year project to make United challengers, if not top of pile, whilst INEOS establish more of their SD, recruitment and development networks/working-structures and 'decontaminate the brand', before a longer-term 'project' manager of the Amorim or similar type comes in. I'd say Tuchel 55/45
I recognise the achievement, but it's not anything special that hasn't been done before.
Every United manager apart from Moyes has taken us to cup final(s) at some point, some even won big cups or got to big cup finals, but still got sacked soon after. 3 finals is nice but just not important enough by our own club standards when the league performance is so bad
Obviously I didn't mean literally now. Before our season is over.
You can build a team and not go into complete free fall simultaneously, you know. A certain manager in our history did it for 26 years.
I can see INEOS going for Tuchel. I’m not really a fan of his but he’s a relatively big name, and the likelihood is he’ll manage the team to a decent level in the short-term while the new management structure set the groundwork for the long-term future of the club. He’s a ready-made option that wouldn’t be here longer than a couple years.
It makes too much sense.
It makes too much sense.
I'm warming to it but I still have concerns that he's basically fallen out with every club he's been in the last few years.
He's a safe pair of hands for a couple of years until we figure out who the next big thing is.
Alternatively we gamble on McKenna or Iraola
Actually I believe the quality of the team has gone down in the last few years rather than up.
Is Antony better than Greenwood/Sancho or even Dan James? No.
Is Casemiro better than Matic? No.
Is Onana better than De Gea? No.
Is Mount better than Mata or Fred? No.
Is Hojlund better than Martial? No (but hey at least Hojlund is fit).
Hell, is Malacia better than Telles? Not really.
We're building nothing.
No doubt some will tell me that it's Murtough's fault rather than ten Hag
Last season's Casemiro was probably better than any version of Matic (barring maybe 1st season Matic ) we saw at United, whilst Hojlund has better workrate (and possibly worse set-up) than Martial ever had, so the jury is out in that regard IMO. I'd say the overall point about improving profile of the squad is correct though, although, again, Murtough et al have to take certain degree of blame for this in not having the set-up to push back against ETH and to identify and recruit players for the kind of style he openly declared wanting to play.Actually I believe the quality of the team has gone down in the last few years rather than up.
Is Antony better than Greenwood/Sancho or even Dan James? No.
Is Casemiro better than Matic? No.
Is Onana better than De Gea? No.
Is Mount better than Mata or Fred? No.
Is Hojlund better than Martial? No (but hey at least Hojlund is fit).
Hell, is Malacia better than Telles? Not really.
We're building nothing.
No doubt some will tell me that it's Murtough's fault rather than ten Hag
Casemiro was great for a few months at the start and that was that. It's been downhill since the middle of last season. At least old man Matic gave us a couple of consistent seasons.
Casemiro should have been better, but overall he isn't. It's a gamble that failed.
Also yes Hojlund has better workrate than Martial, but quality wise he is not close. We need both quality and workrate.
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Good manager, but that point is quite solid. Another conflict at upper structure is some risk to take.
Even two years in one club is a long tenure for Tuchel.
Looks rather underwhelming after Chelsea and Bayern (failed to win Bundesliga with Kane in the team...). There is a good manager in there. But I'd rather be his maid than him becoming United manager, if you know what I mean.
Well, considering that Ten Hag has just led us to our worst season in the EPL era, I can only imagine that things would likely improve under Tuchel.
Why are you brining your kinks into this, kids use this site. Disgusting.
Probably Tuchel, I’d take either but I think after ETH and Ole it might be better to go for the most proven and respected option. He likely wouldn’t be here for more than 2/3 years, so we could potentially get Amorim after if he’s still highly thought of.
Last season it was one of the best though (post SAF)
Amorin is obviously the more exciting one. You could argue that part of that is the thrill of the unknown, but there is genuinely a lot to like there.
Plays proactive attacking football, has a history of developing a squad with young players (even when it loses key pieces every window or two), and has two titles in what was basically a two-horse league for almost 20 years before he rocked up.
We know, that you would rather be his maid than him becoming United manager.
I'm more of a 'what have you done for me lately' guy
He’s already won 3 league titles, a few cups, a champions league and a super cup.
United are not a top 30 club in the world right now, arguably not even top 50. Therefore can´t attract any top playing talent. Yet the majority are upset about a certified top 10 coach wanting to join their club. 
I get it. I don't like him and would prefer rolling the dice on an Amorim, Mckenna or Iraola but then I'm just a fan. Were I in Jim's shoes I think I'd be very tempted by Tuchel as a proven coach with enough personality to come in and straighten things out somewhat.
It makes perfect sense really, even if it isn't all that exciting. Whatever happens I think its clear that ETH needs to go. There's a lot to excuse his failings but he really hasn't shown enough regardless.
It makes perfect sense really, even if it isn't all that exciting. Whatever happens I think its clear that ETH needs to go. There's a lot to excuse his failings but he really hasn't shown enough regardless.
The side is definitely playing at levels below the top 50 right now. The squad is better than that but possibly struggling for top 20. The club, on the other hand, is easily in the top few in the world. Even in this last 10/11 lean years, it's won European trophies (and arguably would have won another one if we didn't have vibes FC as manager against an actual tactician and euro cup specialist in Emery) along with a number of domestic ones, and regularly played Champions League football, finished 2nd on numerous occasions in arguably the most high-profile league in the world. Yes, things are a mess, and yes, Tuchel should be considered but keep things in perspective.United are not a top 30 club in the world right now, arguably not even top 50. Therefore can´t attract any top playing talent. Yet the majority are upset about a certified top 10 coach wanting to join their club.
As of now United is 11th in the UEFA 5-year club ranking. Ahead of Barca and Atletico Madrid. Yes, United will drop next season without European football and yes, it currently is at it's lowest point. But the situation isn't as dire as many fans on this forum claim and everybody working at the club who doesn't aim for a PL title challenge in 2-3 years and picking up some cups (maybe an EL as well) during the next years should be sacked for a lack of ambition.
Yeah the below 50 point was odd. People forget there's like 3 or 4 top leagues in Europe and United are 8th in the richest one. We're crap considering what we've spent.
Don‘t be. He‘s a good guy and literally the reason I joined the Caf since the Chelsea forums seemed to be.. lacking. He needs a competent sporting director / professional structure which he unfortunately and for extremely different reasons didn’t have at Dortmund, Paris, Chelsea and Munich too (would fit to Utd then..).
Been following and watching his teams since late Mainz/start of BVB stint.
Said nothing about rich. I said levels. You outperform your XG by a ridiculous amount. XG has you sitting in 15th place. Shots conceded at the level of a normal relegation side. I don´t think I have ever seen a team finish in the top half of the table, where you can count the number of games that you played superior football to your opponent on one hand. Most mid table teams are inconsistent. They have good games and bad games. If that ratio is around 50/50 you finish mid-table. If it´s like 25/75 you usually are in a relegation struggle, not a EuroLeague fight like United.
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I think he'd be a good stop gap while the "Structure" is put in place and see where it goes.
The guys gets such a bad rap, plays defensive football, plays 3 or 5 at the back, mostly he plays 433 or 4231 like he is tonight in a CL SF against probably the best team in Europe right now.
He’s tactically cute, can adapt in game and sometimes will have a plan like he did against Pep a few times to stifle the game but generally he’s an attacking, wining coach who is easily in the Top 7 or 8 in world football and United would be lucky to have him after their sh..show this season, he might lose games but he’s always competitive and wouldn’t put up with 0-7 to Liverpool's and 4-0 defeats to Brentford and Palace.
I hope he loses tonight, so United can accelerate the process and make sure he’s in the door June 1st.
For those of you who say he won’t play youth or give them a chance, he brought through Dembele, played Chalobah and Gallagher at Chelsea and tonight in a really big game, he drops Goretzka and plays 20 year old Pavlovic.
He’s tactically cute, can adapt in game and sometimes will have a plan like he did against Pep a few times to stifle the game but generally he’s an attacking, wining coach who is easily in the Top 7 or 8 in world football and United would be lucky to have him after their sh..show this season, he might lose games but he’s always competitive and wouldn’t put up with 0-7 to Liverpool's and 4-0 defeats to Brentford and Palace.
I hope he loses tonight, so United can accelerate the process and make sure he’s in the door June 1st.
For those of you who say he won’t play youth or give them a chance, he brought through Dembele, played Chalobah and Gallagher at Chelsea and tonight in a really big game, he drops Goretzka and plays 20 year old Pavlovic.
I think Tuchel would be a great appointment for Man United. As long as he's not in charge of transfers he's a really good coach and tactician. Players seem to like him usually.
This Bayern team is nothing special tbh and they're going toe to toe with Madrid and beat Arsenal quite easily. He's not going to win the league against a Guardiola type but he'll win some knockout tournaments and do well in the big games and get a decent haul of points in the league.
This Bayern team is nothing special tbh and they're going toe to toe with Madrid and beat Arsenal quite easily. He's not going to win the league against a Guardiola type but he'll win some knockout tournaments and do well in the big games and get a decent haul of points in the league.
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They're going to find a mutual resolution and keep him on now. It's inevitable.
Amazing coach who knows when to be pragmatic. Can't believe there are people who would turn their noses up at him
Are people still seriously debating on whether Tuchel would be a significant upgrade on Ten Hag?!
Tuchel has all but begged for a job in England. The man wants United and loves giving his bosses the middle finger and no bigger one than winning the CL and fecking off
.Also, apparently the Nagelsmann sacking was an indirect fight between Kahn (who sacked him and hired Tuchel) and Hoeness who has been making digs at Tuchel in the press before both legs of the semis. To top it all off, Real invited Kahn who Bayern didn't to the game. Just off this you get what a shitshow it is behind the scenes at Bayern.
Would be insane if he delivers a CL trophy considering he’s leaving
Tuchel about to win his second CL and some muppets in our fanbase would rather keep Ten Hag for another season.