Klopper76
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I think United are good now.
Would love for Wolves to sneak in.
Would love for Wolves to sneak in.
I’m confused. Is it in our hands or not?!
We weren't playing City on the last day, though.So you think that when city beat us to the title by GD and if we won our game by some absurd scoreline, think it was like 7-0 or something the title was in our hands?
Nope, I still think is in our handsOh feck, Clearly it's not the last time.
But I will paste what I just said:
The team that has more points than us is the definition of "having it in their own hands".
Its not about us winning all, or whatever else. It's about the phrase, in our hands.
They too can say, it's in their hands, because literally ALL they have to do win all their games too like we so bravely and optimistically think will happen for us, but they cant, or make sure they not on level points come last day, and they don't lose their spot ahead of us.
So in closing. The only thing that's in our hands, is winning all our games.
But we are STILL dependent on Leicester and Chelsea losing in our for it to be fully in our hands....
Make sense...i hope so.
The goal difference brigade are always a funny one. They’d try to convince you that the reason we lost a title was because we didn’t bang in however many extra goals in the games we won or those we lost by at least two, as opposed to scoring a single goal in any of the games we drew or lost by one to earn another point.Fantastic position to be in but I‘m not on board with the „boost our gd“ voices. It reminds me of Liverpool‘s Crystanbul arrogance.
Let’s win as many as possible as convincing as possible and see where that leaves us. We still have the chance to go full Hail Mary against Leicester if necessary.
I think we‘ll manage without gd being the deciding factor anyway.
Agreed.Haven't had a chance to read back through the thread but I'm just delighted that finally top 4 is back in our own hands.
If Leicester wins all their games then credit on them, give hats off for winning all the tough games, truly deserve that top 4. At the end of the day, they have tougher fixtures compare to ours that have winnable games. If we don't get top 4, I would rather us not getting it but still win 7 out of 8 games (Leicester game must win) post Spurs games than dropping lot of points in our winnable games. This is why the top 4 was always depending on our own result not their result since that Spurs game.Some really clueless posts in this thread. Short and simple:
- It's in Leicester's hands. Why? Because they are third. If they win all their matches they finish top 4.
- It's in Chelsea's hands. Why? Because they are fourth. If they win all their matches they finish top 4.
- It's in United's hands. Why? Because we are 3 points behind Leicester and we are yet to play them. Beating them takes us level on points assuming they win all their other games.
- It's in Wolves' hands. Why? They will overtake Chelsea if they win all their games. Because either Leicester and/or United will drop points when they meet, that means Wolves will at worst finish level on points with either one or both of them.
Yes Leicester and Chelsea are technically in the driving seats. But United and Wolves have it in their own hands as of tonight. Neither had it in their own hands before tonight.
The only way it isn't in United/Wolves' hands is if on the final day they need something ridiculous like a 10 goal swing in the final half an hour. That kind of stuff doesn't happen in professional football. But as of right now they have 6 games left to make up the goal difference. Whether they're good enough to do so or not is completely irrelevant. The point is that they control their own destiny now. If Leicester and Chelsea win their games by 1-2 goal margins, United and Wolves have it in their own hands to win their games by a bigger margin and creep in on goal difference. Before tonight if Leicester and Chelsea had won all their games 1-0 then it wouldn't have mattered if United and Wolves had won all their games 10-0.
No.I’m confused. Is it in our hands or not?!
don’t forget that away goals count for double. One nil and job done.Why 10 nil? 5 nil would do it as it stands now...but let's us not forget we could out score them a goal here and there leading up that game. 2 nil might be enough then
Just to out 'pendant' you, it is definitely in our hands. If Leicester win every game until we play them, we just need to win every game and beat them by enough goals to overturn the goal difference.What are you talking about of course it isn’t solely our own performances? If Chelsea win all 6 then they finish above us.
For it to be in our own hands it literally means that no matter what others do we qualify.
I get your point, and I know I’m being a pedant.
Last round of matches won't be changed as they are played simultaneously so our game against Leicester would be final game of the season for both of us in the league .Interesting debate! Let's make this a bit awkward. So ...
I initially was firmly on the logical side that it's not in our hands as we need other teams to do worse than us in games we're not involved in and can't influence.
However, one could say it would be in our hands only if Leicester were to play all their remaining fixtures before our corresponding fixtures (I don't think they do in all fairness - just speculating they do for arguments sake).
Here's why it would be considered in our hands in such a scenario: (Completely ignoring probability and looking at possibility)
If they play and even win before we do, it's actually in our hands to try and win bigger.
So even if Leicester win all their games before the final day, we would aim to win each of our corresponding games, which would be within our sphere of influence, with bigger win margins (a net goal return of + 2 over whatever their net goal return is every game).
That would be considered "in our hands" no matter how highly unlikely and extremely difficult the tasks would be to pull off.
Then we'd just need to win them on the final
day.
Funny that all that improbable logic rests on an almost definitely false pretext that Leicester's remaining fixtures are scheduled to come before our corresponding ones!O boredom ...
Valid point we may have to overturn a big goal difference around but it would still be in our hands but I don't think we'll have to wait till final round of fixtures in fact I am quite confident if we win our next 5matches we wont have to worry about the final day.Just to out 'pendant' you, it is definitely in our hands. If Leicester win every game until we play them, we just need to win every game and beat them by enough goals to overturn the goal difference.
That contradiction is purely an artifact of Chelsea having the worst GD between the teams in spots 3 to 5.FiveThirtyEight's modelling puts virtually nothing between Leicester, Chelsea and United now, with Wolves a little farther back. On average all three of us finish on 65 points, but with the decimal places edging Chelsea ahead of Leicester and United on average points, with Wolves on 62. The average position in the final league table of 4th clubs is in the same order (illogically that's not always the case). However, in terms of predicting who finishes in the top 5 and CL spots (assuming City's ban is upheld), Leicester are 86% likely, United 85%, Chelsea 82% and Wolves 40%. Interesting the contradiction between Chelsea's mean points and mean final position being the best, but their chance of finishing top 5 only being third best.
1.50 odds for United.What do the bookies say now; have they updated their odds?
I thought football was played with feet!!! Isn't it better to have one foot on top 4 instead?We've got one hand on top 4
we got good results yesterday and now we have a much better chance. It’s still not fully in our hands yet. Chelsea and Leicester can also win their remaining games and keep their spots (unlikely as it may seem). They only have to do better than united at each round now.Nope, I still think is in our hands
All of them winning the remaining games? Not gonna happen, Its Leicester vs United and Chelsea vs Wolves in the last fixture. So anyone must drop points or lose, even Arsenal, Spurs, and Shefield still have a chance to enter the race if they could won all the remaining games. Because on paper they still can defeat Chelsea, Leicester, Wolves and will be a bloodbath for them in the next 5 games.Some really clueless posts in this thread. Short and simple:
- It's in Leicester's hands. Why? Because they are third. If they win all their matches they finish top 4.
- It's in Chelsea's hands. Why? Because they are fourth. If they win all their matches they finish top 4.
- It's in United's hands. Why? Because we are 3 points behind Leicester and we are yet to play them. Beating them takes us level on points assuming they win all their other games.
- It's in Wolves' hands. Why? They will overtake Chelsea if they win all their games. Because either Leicester and/or United will drop points when they meet, that means Wolves will at worst finish level on points with either one or both of them.
Yes Leicester and Chelsea are technically in the driving seats. But United and Wolves have it in their own hands as of tonight. Neither had it in their own hands before tonight.
The only way it isn't in United/Wolves' hands is if on the final day they need something ridiculous like a 10 goal swing in the final half an hour. That kind of stuff doesn't happen in professional football. But as of right now they have 6 games left to make up the goal difference. Whether they're good enough to do so or not is completely irrelevant. The point is that they control their own destiny now. If Leicester and Chelsea win their games by 1-2 goal margins, United and Wolves have it in their own hands to win their games by a bigger margin and creep in on goal difference. Before tonight if Leicester and Chelsea had won all their games 1-0 then it wouldn't have mattered if United and Wolves had won all their games 10-0.
any reason you chose 21 games? I really don’t like this kind of an approach where people choose arbit weeks to make a point. We can also take form from Matchday 21-32, where we are fifth on the points total after Arsenal and Wolves, and on the same number of points as Burnley. Also, this includes our recent surge in form.For me, this sumps it up.
https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/formtabelle/wettbewerb/GB1?saison_id=2019&min=12&max=32
Between week 12 and 32, we have 39 pts for 21 games.
Wolves have already played and City can get 41 if they beat Liverpool tomorrow.
Long story short, we are 2nd or 3rd best in term of pts for 21 weeks now.
Leicester are 7th with 32 pts. Chelsea 10th with 31 pts.
That's what makes me think that there is something to play.
In term of goals, we have +38/-20 = +18.
Wolves have +31/-20 = +11.
City has +43/-23 = +20.
Leicester has +33/-23 = +10.
Chelsea has +31/-27 = +4.
Looking at that, I think we can get 3rd. I know that there are too many variables to be able to even accurately predict anything of that sort, but I think we have the team and the consistence to do it now. And most importantly, both Leicester and Chelsea are really far behind us over 21 games.
How is it not completely in our hands assuming both United and Leicester win all of our matches before facing each other we might have to defeat Leicester with an highly unlikely margin but it would be still be possible .we got good results yesterday and now we have a much better chance. It’s still not fully in our hands yet. Chelsea and Leicester can also win their remaining games and keep their spots (unlikely as it may seem). They only have to do better than united at each round now.
Our game against Leicester will be a big one. If we manage to close that goal difference down to 1-2 goals, it will really be on. Fingers crossed. Last night’s results should really give our squad a good lift.
No complacency now. We really need to keep the good work going if we want champions league football. I would really like us to leapfrog Leicester before the last game, so we don’t need to win, i.e draw being good enough. Let’s avoid a cup final like game with them!
The Gk plays with the hands too though.I thought football was played with feet!!! Isn't it better to have one foot on top 4 instead?![]()
Pretty sure Palace will get moved, it's marked as TBD.The Gk plays with the hands too though.
I just realized we have Southampton on the 13th and Palace on the 15th. Only 2 days? Really? We will probably see at least one game without Bruno and Pogba starting; this could be tricky.
Because I think that shows some consistency. I am trying to determine if the trend is viable. Based on those last 21 games, I think our trend is viable, we can catch up and win. Of course, it's not perfect.any reason you chose 21 games? I really don’t like this kind of an approach where people choose arbit weeks to make a point. We can also take form from Matchday 21-32, where we are fifth on the points total after Arsenal and Wolves, and on the same number of points as Burnley. Also, this includes our recent surge in form.