Top 4 Race 19/20 | duffer: "We [Chelsea] are getting 3rd. Despite what the lunatics in here think, Man United are not all that."

[Tarrou]

I'm certain everyone will drop more points but we've got the best set of fixtures and are the in-form side

If we feck it up from here it will be pretty devastating in terms of our momentum under Ole

Betfair has it at;

United 1/2
Chelsea 8/15
Leicester 6/5
Wolves 10/3

Quite like the look of Wolves odds there

 

[Berbasbullet]

I'm certain everyone will drop more points but we've got the best set of fixtures and are the in-form side

If we feck it up from here it will be pretty devastating in terms of our momentum under Ole

Betfair has it at;

United 1/2
Chelsea 8/15
Leicester 6/5
Wolves 10/3

Quite like the look of Wolves odds there

Wolves odd are naughty!

 

[Lynty]

I really hope Wolves do it. I live it Wolverhampton and have a soft spot for them, and the solid foundations they have built would allow then to kick on with and buy some quality players with Champions League football.

 

[Lynty]

Well it’s not not in Leicester and Chelsea’s hands but it’s also not not in Wolves and ours. Chelsea have it more in their hands then Leicester but Leicester still have it in hand and some say more in hand than United. But United have it more in hand than Leicester if Leicester hand us a big win in the final game then it would be more firmly in our hands than Leicester but not Chelsea unless Wolves hand it to them on the last day. Wolves have it in hand over Chelsea if they beat them but Chelsea have it over Wolves if they beat them. Which means it’s in Wolves’ hands whether or not it’s in Chelsea’s hands to hand it to Wolves who could cause Chelsea to hand it to Leicester who could hand it to us on the last day.

I don’t see what the confusion is about.

Gotta hand it to you, you've summarised the hands debate single handedly in one post. I hold my hands up and admit that I wasn't sure who had it in their hands, but you've handed me the answer. Leicester and Chelsea have it in their hands because they already have the points on board with no games in hand. On the other hand, us and Wolves have it in our hands because as long as we can handle our remaining fixtures to keep pace with Leicester and Chelsea, we could both hand them a defeat on the final day of the season to take top 4 spots. So effectively, it's in everyones hands as long as each team is on form. I think we have a solid chance, just need to everyone to turn up and perform, no mistakes from De Gea, we just want to see clean sheets and safe hands.

 

[AltiUn]

What was it you were saying about West Ham not having a chance in hell. I will be honest I didn't think they were even capable of a draw either.

Very happy to be wrong about that one

 

[laughtersassassin]

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Am I reading this wrong or is this saying head to head will be used instead of goal difference?

Surely not?

 

[Gandalf Greyhame]

While your here what does your mate Saruman think?

Surely the White Hand can help us understand?

We had a little falling out and don't really talk much. If he joins our next standup, though, I'll ask.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

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Am I reading this wrong or is this saying head to head will be used instead of goal difference?

Surely not?

Yeah was introduced this season. Head to head is used for teams level on points when it is the league title, European qualification, or relegation at stake. Not sure many are aware of this, even Sky etc. don't refer to it.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Yeah was introduced this season. Head to head is used for teams level on points when it is the league title, European qualification, or relegation at stake. Not sure many are aware of this, even Sky etc. don't refer to it.

So our GD agosnt Leicester doesn't matter? If we beat them we will finish ahead of them on head to head?

 

[bosnian_red]

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Am I reading this wrong or is this saying head to head will be used instead of goal difference?

Surely not?

Yeah was introduced this season. Head to head is used for teams level on points when it is the league title, European qualification, or relegation at stake. Not sure many are aware of this, even Sky etc. don't refer to it.

So our GD agosnt Leicester doesn't matter? If we beat them we will finish ahead of them on head to head?

Had the same confusion yesterday. Head to head used instead of a playoff decider in case goal difference and goals scored is the same.

 

[paulscholes18]

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Am I reading this wrong or is this saying head to head will be used instead of goal difference?

Surely not?

Only head to head “if” GD and goals scored are the same

 

[Matriac]

I feel pretty sure that head to head is only in case of similar points, goal difference, goals for against (maybe). So there's no need for rematch.
As it says if level on the table. Wolves are not level with us now, they are behind on GD.

Will be used extremely rare. But a just in case rule.
Is my interpretation.

Edit: oh and also depends who had it in their hands.

 

[FootyGirl88]

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Am I reading this wrong or is this saying head to head will be used instead of goal difference?

Surely not?

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/pre...d-to-head-rule-for-the-2019-20-season.448993/

 

[slyadams]

Only head to head “if” GD and goals scored are the same

That's the opposite of what it says.

 

[Rish Sawhney]

That's the opposite of what it says.

No its not.

"If two or more clubs finish level on the table".
They're not level on the table if one team has a higher GD. This is adding the head to head as a third tie breaker before a playoff game to reduce the chance of that happening.

 

[laughtersassassin]

No its not.

"If two or more clubs finish level on the table".
They're not level on the table if one team has a higher GD. This is adding the head to head as a third tie breaker before a playoff game to reduce the chance of that happening.

Fair enough. It is worded terribly. This can be interpreted as Head to Head being used as third tie breaker.

 

[Leftback99]

I'm pretty sure we'd have noticed in the table all season if head to head counted before goal difference .

 

[laughtersassassin]

I'm pretty sure we'd have noticed in the table all season if head to head counted before goal difference .

Yeah I thought that too but that is one terribly worded rule since it fails to mention the order of tie breakers.

 

[slyadams]

No its not.

"If two or more clubs finish level on the table".
They're not level on the table if one team has a higher GD. This is adding the head to head as a third tie breaker before a playoff game to reduce the chance of that happening.

You're right, my appologies.

 

[RobinLFC]

City's fate is sealed on July 12th or thereabouts, right? So we'll know whether 5th gets you CL or not when the proper run-in starts?

Could be a thrilling end to the season, both top 4 and the relegation battle. I think Leicester might fade away and Utd/Chelsea make up the top 4 by the end of the season.

 

[MartinRed]

Moyes done more for us as West Ham manager than he did as ours.

 

[Damien]

City's fate is sealed on July 12th or thereabouts, right? So we'll know whether 5th gets you CL or not when the proper run-in starts?

Could be a thrilling end to the season, both top 4 and the relegation battle. I think Leicester might fade away and Utd/Chelsea make up the top 4 by the end of the season.

They find out on July 13th - same day we are due to face Southampton.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Gotta hand it to you, you've summarised the hands debate single handedly in one post. I hold my hands up and admit that I wasn't sure who had it in their hands, but you've handed me the answer. Leicester and Chelsea have it in their hands because they already have the points on board with no games in hand. On the other hand, us and Wolves have it in our hands because as long as we can handle our remaining fixtures to keep pace with Leicester and Chelsea, we could both hand them a defeat on the final day of the season to take top 4 spots. So effectively, it's in everyones hands as long as each team is on form. I think we have a solid chance, just need to everyone to turn up and perform, no mistakes from De Gea, we just want to see clean sheets and safe hands.

See this guy gets it!

 

[Moiraine]

So this Head to Head thing, if United finish level at points with Wolves or Chelsea (or both), they are ahead on head to head from both these teams right!

Wolves
away: United 1-0 wolves
Home: 0-0

Chelsea
Won both ties

 

[Sandikan]

Yeah was introduced this season. Head to head is used for teams level on points when it is the league title, European qualification, or relegation at stake. Not sure many are aware of this, even Sky etc. don't refer to it.

There's a reason sky don't mention it.
And that because the chances of points, goal difference and goals scored being the same are minimal.

The change is that last year an extra game would be the decider and this year it's on head to heads.
Only applied if points goal diffo and goals scored are the same.

 

[Sandikan]

So this Head to Head thing, if United finish level at points with Wolves or Chelsea (or both), they are ahead on head to head from both these teams right!

Wolves
away: United 1-0 wolves
Home: 0-0

Chelsea
Won both ties

It's points
Goal diffo
Goals scored.


Then the head to head thing.

 

[ZolaWasMagic]

So this Head to Head thing, if United finish level at points with Wolves or Chelsea (or both), they are ahead on head to head from both these teams right!

Wolves
away: United 1-0 wolves
Home: 0-0

Chelsea
Won both ties

not quite. It'd need to be same points, same goal diff, then goals scored, then head to head iirc. Chances of it coming down to head to head are incredibly slim, if at all.

 

[ZolaWasMagic]

City's fate is sealed on July 12th or thereabouts, right? So we'll know whether 5th gets you CL or not when the proper run-in starts?

Could be a thrilling end to the season, both top 4 and the relegation battle. I think Leicester might fade away and Utd/Chelsea make up the top 4 by the end of the season.

Thats my prediction, too. And City remain banned for a year

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Thats my prediction, too. And City remain banned for a year

yup, with Wolves taking their spot.

 

[Stacks]

Only one team have lost fewer games than Wolves in the league. They're coming 2nd

 

[JustinC00]

Only one team have lost fewer games than Wolves in the league. They're coming 2nd

Wolves also have drawn the most of any team.

 

[Offside]

I’ve said it a few times but we’ve got a favourable run in with Leicester to be got at, Chelsea to be got at, potential for 5th to be good enough and if all fails in the league just 3 wins from Europa League glory. Ole has no excuses if we don’t make the CL next season now.

 

[duffer]

Head to head is bullshit, at least for this season.

Alphabetical order is the only fair way to decide.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Gotta hand it to you, you've summarised the hands debate single handedly in one post. I hold my hands up and admit that I wasn't sure who had it in their hands, but you've handed me the answer. Leicester and Chelsea have it in their hands because they already have the points on board with no games in hand. On the other hand, us and Wolves have it in our hands because as long as we can handle our remaining fixtures to keep pace with Leicester and Chelsea, we could both hand them a defeat on the final day of the season to take top 4 spots. So effectively, it's in everyones hands as long as each team is on form. I think we have a solid chance, just need to everyone to turn up and perform, no mistakes from De Gea, we just want to see clean sheets and safe hands.

The things about our hands or their hands is that United & Chelsea been inconsistent throughout their season while Leicester been dreadful in their last 15 league games. So you’ll expect lot of point dropped from these teams.

United’s inconsistent problem was always down to incapable breaking the low block teams. Lacking of quality in creating chances especially with Pogba being injured in almost the whole season.

However, unlike us, Chelsea & Leicester didn’t make any signing to solve their inconsistency problem, we made signings to give us help to find a solution and in additional we got Pogba back. Both Leicester & Chelsea didn’t improve their squad means they are likely still have the same problem with their inconsistency and even more problems Leicester fixtures aren’t even friendly at all.

Not saying we’ve solved the problem totally but at least with Pogba & Bruno, our team will be much better than before and we have much better chance to win games against the lower sides which coincidence that our remaining league games are against those lower sides. After the Spurs game, United not getting top 4 is only means that we have to blame ourself.

 

[E-mal]

Head to head is bullshit, at least for this season.

Alphabetical order is the only fair way to decide.

I hear you, I was thinking stadium capacity should be fairest way to decide.

 

[E-mal]

See this guy gets it!

I still think is in our hands

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

So this Head to Head thing, if United finish level at points with Wolves or Chelsea (or both), they are ahead on head to head from both these teams right!

Wolves
away: United 1-0 wolves
Home: 0-0

Chelsea
Won both ties

We didn’t beat Wolves, we drew twice in the league and beat them in the Fa Cup.

 

[Feed Me]

This "hands" argument

 

[UpWithRivers]

I dont really appreciate how Man City downed tools against Chelsea and probably the scousers will as well. Its a conspiracy I you!!!!

 

[flappyjay]

I dont really appreciate how Man City downed tools against Chelsea and probably the scousers will as well. Its a conspiracy I you!!!!

It irked me a bit but Leicester for me were always the target. I see Chelsea as our rival for 3rd.