Just know that Arsenal will turn up for the last couple of months of the season. Beat Bayern Munich next week 3-0, go on a winning run, get into the CL and they cycle will repeat itself.
Top 4 race 2016/17
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
We need 15 points from our fixtures to even dream about finishing top 4. If we get that we should be around 2nd place with a 3-4 point cushion over a 5th placed team.
I agree with this as well. That also meas Mourinho can do what he's famous for in the big games and shut up shop. Winning the next 5 means you have the cushion of being able to draw against the other teams in the top 6 and not lose any ground. Mourinho will set you up for this and you'll make them take the game to you which could also feed into your hands with players like Mkhi and Martial on the counter.
Anything less than 13 points from these next 5 puts you into a crap position in my opinion. But then, you do have the Europa League to fall back on.
Predict the results to predict final standings/point (at the bottom of the article)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/premier-league-top-six-predictor-9935059
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/premier-league-top-six-predictor-9935059
- 1Chelsea91
- 2Man City85
- 3Tottenham79
- 4Arsenal79
- 5Liverpool76
- 6Man Utd76
Don't think they'll beat Liverpool. The Scousers always seem to be able to beat the big boys.
NO WAY WE FINISH BELOW L'POOL AND ARSENAL!!
Tottenham will bottle it, Arsenal sh*t their pants against top teams and L'pool are falling faster than the speed of light.
1. Chelsea
2. Man Utd
3. City
4. Spurs
5. Arsenal
6. Everton
7. L'Pool
Don't kid yourself, you aren't making top 4.
1. Chelsea 90
2. Man City 83
3. Man United 81
4. Spurs 79
5. Arsenal 78
6. Liverpool 71
Hahaha, Mutu was fired because he was caught with cocaine in his system after a drugs test, not because of a fallout with Mourinho for fecks sake.
I may have underestimated his likely Utd prediction..Treble_Winning said:
City's fixtures
. Liverpool's are tricky as well. You do really need 15 points out of 15.I think there is more chance of Arsenal and Liverpool bottling it than Tottenham who looks more resilient in Premier League. They are a good physical side and can bulldoze their way pass teams in the premier league.
And United only 25 in their next 13Tottenham 87 points ffs.
So they'll pick up 34 from their next 39?
Chelsea 89
City 81
United 81
Tottenham 79
Arsenal 77
Liverpool 74
City 81
United 81
Tottenham 79
Arsenal 77
Liverpool 74
- 1 Chelsea 87
- 2 Man City 85
- 3 Tottenham 80
- 4 Arsenal 76
- 5 Man Utd 74
- 6 Liverpool 65
Which is exactly in line with their current PPG, why is that so hard to believe?And United only 25 in their next 13
I think 76 or maybe 77 will be required.
Yeah, but you getting 87 points would be really incredible.
Of course that's not happening, but you weren't rolling your eyes at that, you were rolling them at Utd continuing on their current path?
I meant that i can't see United getting only 25 points in their last 13 games based on their current form.
I think I put us to win at the Emirates and draw to Spurs + City. Optimistic and still barely getting top 4!
We're the closest we've been since November when personally i wrote finishing top 4 off. I still think the away games remaining will be our downfall. Europa is still our best chance of qualifying for the CL.
Probably not the most realistic. Looking back, I don't think I had us, Chelsea or Spurs losing another game for the rest of the season
Was referring to your track record in the EL as well ... reckon a rare QF appearance is the best you've managed in that as well in recent years if memory serves well? Ofcourse past performances are not a solid indicator but I'd rather have teams in Europe who take the competition seriously rather than parading out weak sides to maximize their chances of qualifying for the same competition by a higher position in the league.
Ill never understand why other sides are given the benefit of the doubt while we are doomed to struggle.
Historically Arsenal always get top 4 and we have tough away game... Ignores our historic good form away to Spurs and Arsenal...
Historically Arsenal always get top 4 and we have tough away game... Ignores our historic good form away to Spurs and Arsenal...
We've won 1 of the last 6 away games at Spurs, 2 out of 6 at Arsenal.
You can look at it the other way too, we've only lost once on each ground in the last 6 years.
- Most away games remaining out of the Top 6
- Most games against the Top 6
- Poor record against Top 6 teams this season
- Possible fatigue already kicking in due to small squad
- Still in 2 other competitions
- Reliant on one player for goals
- Least amount of room for error
Again, I'm beginning to doubt you'll qualify through the League after seeing your fixture list.
History isn't relevant. This Arsenal side look even weaker mentally than previous ones. The fact that there is a cloud hanging over Wenger's future isn't helping, its destabilizing them even more.
I fully expect Arsenal and Liverpool to miss out on the top four. Spurs will make it, as they are marginally better than those two clubs. If and when that happens, I really do think we will see the end of both Wenger and Klopp.
Could we have a poll to see if Utd will make top 4 ?
Just imagine the last game of the season being City v United and City need to win to get the PL and United to get 4th. Mother of all squeaky bum times ?
I agree that you've been improving as a team over the past few seasons. I've stated that a number of times on here. But I don't see how that has changed your side's mentality. You still ended up finishing 3rd in a 2 horse race between yourselves and Leicester last season. The tie against Gent doesn't prove to me that that mentality has changed between last season and now either. City still don't have much European steel but Pep does and that's why I think they'll make a strong run next season. I could be wrong of course and Spurs could end up reaching next season's QF but right now I just don't see it. You have a chance to finish 2nd this season but will you do it? Again, I think you'll let it slip by a point or two.
I remember when everyone doubted they'd make top 4 in 2011, especially after they were 17th by week 4 or 5. I remember hearing this in 2013 or was it 2014. If there's one thing Wenger knows how to do, it's make the top 4. We'll see how it plays out. I actually don't want them to make it.
Small squad? We probably have the most depth of any team in the league.
We've got a crazy fixture list. Plus our form against the top sides has been anythng but good. I reckon we will end up somewhere around the 75 mark.And United only 25 in their next 13
Yeah, fair points. If you question the mentality, then you can take these matches as further proof if you'd like.
I would personally say we showed strong mental resilience last season by continuing to battle with Leicester when other teams crumbled. We had a bad start of the league and had to continue to chase them (so it never really was a race between Leicester and us, we were always hoping they would slip). We then drew 2-2 away to a Chelsea team who were very up for the game, in this game the team showed a determination and will to win at any cost, despite not being good enough on the day. We then imploded when the league was no longer within reach, and somehow managed to collapse completely, but for me, - this was more of a hungover from the disappointment of losing, we didn't bottle when we were chasing the win. Regardless, completely inexcusable, but I don't agree that it was lack of winning mentality or bottling or whatever (against Chelsea), - it was disappointment of 'only finishing second' since we couldn't possible finish third that somehow took our eyes off the ball imo.
And if we don't finish second this season, would our mentality be in question? Depends how I guess, but would you question the mentality of the other 4 teams finishing behind us? Slightly unfair imo.
Bottom line I guess is that we read the evidence slightly different, and I can't say that you're wrong, - but I have my own views (obviously more positive
) Guess time will tell what happens.Noone take form into consideration on here?
United have barely lost a game the last couple months, Liverpool can't beat anyone this year, and still several opposing fans think they will end above us? Really?
United will get top 4, i'm guessing third, behind Chelsa and one of Spurs or City, probably City.
United have barely lost a game the last couple months, Liverpool can't beat anyone this year, and still several opposing fans think they will end above us? Really?
United will get top 4, i'm guessing third, behind Chelsa and one of Spurs or City, probably City.
Obviously too optimistic. Not in terms of our results, but how badly other will perform (mainly Liverpool and Arsenal):
Disagree. You're pretty much fecked if any one of Zlatan, Pogba, Herrera, Martial & Mkhitaryan get hurt for a lengthy period of time. Those are all unsurprisingly your best outfield players as well. I also brought that up because you'll be playing more games than the rest of the Top 6.
By the way, you think United have better depth than City do?