I too wish United fans would stop mentioning us in this thread, we don't deserve to be mentioned tbh and all any United fan should concern themselves with is the next game and trying to repair our disastrous start and if come March/April/May we're in touch of a top 4 finish talk about it then not before
Top Four Race 2018/19
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Spurs and Arsenal are average.
If we put a few decent runs together from now until May we'll walk ahead of both of them.
If we put a few decent runs together from now until May we'll walk ahead of both of them.
Surely you can add Man Utd to that average list then?
3pts from Bouremouth & City altogether would be what I'm looking at / reasonable.
Anything more would be great.
Fewer = an incoming meltdown I would have thought.
Anything more would be great.
Fewer = an incoming meltdown I would have thought.
Spurs just had their best ever start to the league and we're four points behind them after our start. We could be 2 points behind Arsenal who just won 12 in a row if Liverpool beats them.
That's why this thread is needed. It adds perspective to the everybody else is brilliant, we're gonna be 12th mindset around here.
Bournemouth are playing really well at the moment. A draw against them wouldn't be a bad result for anyone - especially away from home.
What would you take if given these two choices: 3 points from Bournemouth & 0 from City, or 1 from each?
The gap is small because only a small amount of games have been played
Which is why saying we don't deserve to be in the conversation doesn't make sense.
It does because given our start it's stupid to even think about long term goals, focus on the short term I.e. the next game
Top four may be out reach already, mates. But it's still only October and it's not hard to see at least Arsenal falling apart by midseason. Problem is, we need Spurs to fall apart as well as Arsenal.
Jesus feckin Christ!! It's just 10 games into the season. Hell never mind top 4 even 9 points off the point is hardly an insurmountable mountain. I'm not saying we'll do that or get top 4 for sure but with such a defeatist and pessimistic ( I'm sure you'll label it as realistic) mentality why even bother watching this season?? Might as well wait for the next season, eh?
This is a short term thread though, its the race for top 4. If it were who do you think will finish top 4 then I would agree with you.
I can’t understand this apparent unwritten rule that some Utd fans are applying, more or less stating that top 4 is already out of reach with 28 games to play?
Apart from City, the teams inhabiting top 4 at the moment have some of their own issues that could potentially have negative impacts on their seasons.
Apart from City, the teams inhabiting top 4 at the moment have some of their own issues that could potentially have negative impacts on their seasons.
I know it won't happen but God if we win our next 2 games.
At the minute United are 5 points behind, that is 2 losses more that we have to hope Arsenal/Spurs do more than us over the course of the next 28 games. It's doable but United and Jose don't have much more room for error TBH. A few more losses and draws and it's what we call game over.
Ah interesting, thanks for clarifying.
Just proves again not to take everything you read online as gospel!
We've been watching our games, though.
I'm a shade more optimistic but we still need improvement at both ends, innit? To be putting a run of wins together.
The gap could be getting towards 10pts after these next 2.
The max we ever put together is 3 wins in a row nowadays. Then when optimism builds up, we lose or draw miserably. Rinse and repeat.
Other teams go even 5-6 games without losing or drawing, we hardly ever do that. It is essential to go on such runs for even 4th in current environment, let alone higher.
We need to beat our rivals to get top4, even if we have the classic saying that you end in the top side of the standings if you beat all the small teams.
Given our poor start of the season, we need to string some wins together and we also need to beat the top candidates in order to break their winning runs and make them play with pressure in their next games after.
It's still early days, but we surely need to string some results until Christmas if we want top4.
Given our poor start of the season, we need to string some wins together and we also need to beat the top candidates in order to break their winning runs and make them play with pressure in their next games after.
It's still early days, but we surely need to string some results until Christmas if we want top4.
May be average but if you take away lost points against fellow top 6 teams Arsenal have only dropped 2 points to Palace and Spurs dropped 3 points Watford.
Both dropped 3 points to Man. City who Man. United will face next week. Of course things will probably change but given way season has gone so far Arsenal and Spurs are more likely to beat the bottom half teams home and away than Man. United are e.g. Spurs went to Brighton and won, Man. United lost.
Given this looks a tight race for 4th, those results can be the crucial ones at end of the season.
Never said we were any good.
Simply said if we, just like any team put a half decent run together we'll finish 4th. The points target isn't that high at all.
Dream scenario: Lose to Bournemouth and bye bye Mourinho, McKenna with the interim mantle takes us to victory at Emptihad. 
What's even stranger than seeing United so far down the table is seeing your goal difference. With only 10 matches played the top club is already 20+ better off in goal difference with the others not far behind. That's insane.
If we’re wasting our time dreaming maybe we should dream of winning both games.Dream scenario: Lose to Bournemouth and bye bye Mourinho, McKenna with the interim mantle takes us to victory at Emptihad.
Winning both games, while ending up 10th with another 200m spent on garbage? No thanks.
Let’s dream to win the treble then.
It's more likely that we beat City 6-0 with Moyes in charge than Mourinho winning a treble. Dream realistic!
He’s not getting sacked for losing to Bournemouth so maybe dream again.
Reckon a 6-0 loss against Bournemouth and something similar against Juve won't see him sacked before the derby?
Interesting that we have never beaten Man City 6-0 and Jose has actually won a treble before.
One loss to Bournemouth won't get him the sack. Woody's settled on the "mathematically out of Top 4" option.Dream scenario: Lose to Bournemouth and bye bye Mourinho, McKenna with the interim mantle takes us to victory at Emptihad.
In any case, I think he will leave even if he gets us 2nd-4th, because clearly Ed's not comfortable with his transfer targets and his constant digs against the board. Can't see his contract being extended, and I think he will leave at the end of this season. So basically, let's stop hoping for defeats. Martial's form has made me a bit excited again for United games, rather than looking at them as a weekend chore.
If that happens, which is unlikely imo, I doubt that Mouwould want to leave without a compensation. Doubt, Woody would be ready to pay that. Looks like no top 4 this season, no CL next, fairly big amount of money for the new manager would be there though.
There’s more chance of you making a sensible post than there is of that happening.Reckon a 6-0 loss against Bournemouth and something similar against Juve won't see him sacked before the derby?
Cracking matches on TV tomorrow. Starting with that six pointer between Bournemouth and Utd. Followed by Arsenal v Liverpool and Wolves v Spurs.
Why would anyone start a thread saying they're ditching sky sports unless it's an unavoidable financial decision?
Why would anyone start a thread saying they're ditching sky sports unless it's an unavoidable financial decision?
Well only the Wolves vs. Spurs game is on Sky for a start...
At this point actually think I'm more of a United fan than you are which is crazy really since I'm a Mourinho fan, on one place you got Old Trafford fans singing his name even in these tough times and on the other it's you wishing for defeats to get him sacked, and old don't deny it it's so obvious you'd love that outcome, which is sad really..Reckon a 6-0 loss against Bournemouth and something similar against Juve won't see him sacked before the derby?
Goals galore Spurs have only 16 goals, we have 17 despite Lukaku not scoring or doing anything really.
If we can get back to playing and defending normally then it does look like Arsenal are the ones to beat. I don't think Wembley will help Spurs.
Still I think us getting top 4 is quite a task. Probably 25% possibility. The gap will probably widen and our mediocre form will start to show in a few months.
If we can get back to playing and defending normally then it does look like Arsenal are the ones to beat. I don't think Wembley will help Spurs.
Still I think us getting top 4 is quite a task. Probably 25% possibility. The gap will probably widen and our mediocre form will start to show in a few months.
Bloody good game to watch though you've got to admit?
(Ps I watch BT through Sky dish so it's blurred lines for me)