AlexUTD
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Stop beeing so melodramatic.Good on you, going for the usual Cafe mode of discussion.
Stop beeing so melodramatic.Good on you, going for the usual Cafe mode of discussion.
The one that claims every positive report that comes out about United is “PR” and all the negative reports is gospel.I have been supporting Manchester United since the 80s and involved in sports in some of the farthest places imaginable.
What modern football fan are you talking about?
You're replying to something over two weeks old and also don't seem to understand how the new ffp works. Are you serious?You serious? They taake out £20M in dividends every year and can contribute £100M from their own pocket but we all know that wont happen..
Oh sorry, i was not aware there was a expiration date on replying to posts my bad.You're replying to something over two weeks old and also don't seem to understand how the new ffp works. Are you serious?
Computer says no. Post expired.Oh sorry, i was not aware there was a expiration date on replying to posts my bad.
"FFP allows clubs to make a loss, which is made up by wealthy owners, of £105m over three years. However, turning a profit, offsetting expenditure against against capital or football development projects and boosting revenues helps to stretch that envelope."
https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/S...an-spend-on-transfers-under-FFP-rules/2713969
I don't believe this still applies with the new FSR rules that came into force this season to replace FFP.Oh sorry, i was not aware there was a expiration date on replying to posts my bad.
"FFP allows clubs to make a loss, which is made up by wealthy owners, of £105m over three years. However, turning a profit, offsetting expenditure against against capital or football development projects and boosting revenues helps to stretch that envelope."
https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/S...an-spend-on-transfers-under-FFP-rules/2713969
SorryComputer says no. Post expired.
Well this is awkward...I don't believe this still applies with the new FSR rules that came into force this season to replace FFP.
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Would be nice to get a Brazilian wonder kid for a change. Seems like we’ve never been in those conversations outside of the Da Silva twins.Call me crazy but I don't think we get him.
Kleberson, his wife, Anderson, his chefWould be nice to get a Brazilian wonder kid for a change. Seems like we’ve never been in those conversations outside of the Da Silva twins.
When last did we sign talented players from South America…Pellistri?
edison cavaniWhen last did we sign talented players from South America…Pellistri?
To be fair who is the last wonder kid to come though apart from Vinicus Jr?Would be nice to get a Brazilian wonder kid for a change. Seems like we’ve never been in those conversations outside of the Da Silva twins.
Depends on how developed they are but Rodrygo is also a regular for Madrid. Vitor Roque moved to Barca this summer. Endrick signed for Madrid last year but is too young to move. Chelsea signed a couple of highly touted young players like Kendry Paez (Colombian I think), Andrey and I'm sure some others.To be fair who is the last wonder kid to come though apart from Vinicus Jr?
But it’s been years if not decades of Brazilian wonder kid this and that thought and look how this generation has panned out.Depends on how developed they are but Rodrygo is also a regular for Madrid. Vitor Roque moved to Barca this summer. Endrick signed for Madrid last year but is too young to move. Chelsea signed a couple of highly touted young players like Kendry Paez (Colombian I think), Andrey and I'm sure some others.
We were linked to Marcos Leonardo in the summer but he didn't move anywhere in the end and I'm not sure anyone is convinced we would move for a young Brazilian striker.
There aren’t that many that really get hyped though. Neymar was a resounding success for Barca and the only team in England in the conversation was Chelsea.But it’s been years if not decades of Brazilian wonder kid this and that thought and look how this generation has panned out.
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We had a very real opportunity to get Haaland and Bellingham on the cheap on their way up. That alone would have been enough.I know it can be frustrating to see other teams hovering up talented young players but I’m not sure we’re missing out as much as we think. Over the last 5 years I’m thinking about the number of youngsters other teams have integrated into the first team in comparison to ours. Not done the research but not that many under 21 I’d reckon.
One major problem is the big club pressure without the serious guarantee of titles; don't have a best-in-class (or best in league) reputation for u-21/23 to 1st team pipeline, coaching and facilities generally; club 'name', if not board expectations or standards, doesn't allow as much breathing room to develop. Fans aren't as accustomed as Dortmund to not finishing 1st (even though of course most of us have moderated expectations), hence more potential abuse for making mistakes - again, that might not be as true in practice any more, if anything fans are sometimes too accommodating, but that's still the image.We had a very real opportunity to get Haaland and Bellingham on the cheap on their way up. That alone would have been enough.
We really should be more attractive to young players than a club like Dortmund. It’s an area we have neglected and it is costing us.
Yeah certainly in Bellingham case we rolled out the red carpet,however he clearly wanted that Dortmund stepping stone. Always say we should have got Haaland after Molde,however many think he would have gone to Real by now.One major problem is the big club pressure without the serious guarantee of titles; don't have a best-in-class (or best in league) reputation for u-21/23 to 1st team pipeline, coaching and facilities generally; club 'name', if not board expectations or standards, doesn't allow as much breathing room to develop. Fans aren't as accustomed as Dortmund to not finishing 1st (even though of course most of us have moderated expectations), hence more potential abuse for making mistakes - again, that might not be as true in practice any more, if anything fans are sometimes too accommodating, but that's still the image.
Finally, we're not as amenable to basically-bribing agents, preferring just to wildly overpay clubs for players and not negotiate properly on their wages instead, even when we don't have serious competition and the player knows this is likely the biggest gig they'll get by far. Both City and Chelsea have been happy in recent history, whether through front or back-channels, to pay 'reps' in full when they hone-in on premium players.
See but that’s my point. It’s not like we aren’t making an effort for players, they just wanted to go elsewhere. Those 2 are perfect examples. Bellingham wanted a guarantee of first team football and Haaland and escape clause.We had a very real opportunity to get Haaland and Bellingham on the cheap on their way up. That alone would have been enough.
We really should be more attractive to young players than a club like Dortmund. It’s an area we have neglected and it is costing us.
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What would have been, to you, the correct course of action there ?Good on you, going for the usual Cafe mode of discussion.
Good. Get rid. Though, I am curious - does he plan to be on time for Dortmund? But not here?
Whatever we charge other clubs we should double it for Dortmund like they do for us.
It's going to be a loan where we subsidize a bunch of his wages so :shrug:Good. Get rid. Though, I am curious - does he plan to be on time for Dortmund? But not here?
I know, I'm just a very bitter man.It's going to be a loan where we subsidize a bunch of his wages so :shrug:
This loan is just a prelude to his sale in the summer. Hopefully.It's going to be a loan where we subsidize a bunch of his wages so :shrug:
It must be part of Dortmund's transfer strategy now. Rip us off and then ask for the player back on a loan or for peanuts. Should be the last player we buy from Dortmund.
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There are two financial rules to follow. Premier League and UEFA. It's always wise to remember that.Oh sorry, i was not aware there was a expiration date on replying to posts my bad.
"FFP allows clubs to make a loss, which is made up by wealthy owners, of £105m over three years. However, turning a profit, offsetting expenditure against against capital or football development projects and boosting revenues helps to stretch that envelope."
https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/S...an-spend-on-transfers-under-FFP-rules/2713969
Hopefully he dazzles back “home” and another club with big money comes i for him (inter, Bayern, etc etcWhatever we charge other clubs we should double it for Dortmund like they do for us.