Van Dijk and Fabinho let the cross in their absolved and Trent is at fault for the goal.
Trent can’t defend
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During the game my wife asked me which is the better James or Trent.
Trent delivers a great ball but his defensive brain isn’t anywhere near the same level as James. James is a year younger and at 22 will no doubt continue to develop at a pace
'Bottled' is reserved for capitulation, for me, and more for older players who have no excuse. You may be right that he did bottle it, but I struggle to apply that to young players who are experiencing things for the first time.
I'm not disagreeing about his use of the ball - said the same thing myself - and I doubt this thread is made if he had made assists or scored, but for a free man, with so much onus on him to be the creative catalyst, he fell well short of what was needed and expected, and that's the biggest issue here, not his defending.
It was clear and obvious that he was instructed and expected to stay high and tackle back as and when needed, with Konate shuffled over and essentially expected to handle Vinicius - far more than Trent, at least - so the defending issue is rather moot.
There's a rush to put the player down as a counterbalance to the hype and perhaps the ego he's developing, and like you say, he may well have swallowed some of it himself, but he is instrumental and a really useful component when used correctly, but, I feel that his flank is going to be targeted a whole lot more from now on and it will usher in a number of new factors for he and Klopp to contend with - the awe and aura for what he has been doing is going to be tested more than ever next season, I think.
I think it’s the opposite his defensive game this season has massively improved whenever I’ve watched him. I think he’s miles above James to be be honest and for me he’s probably the best RB in the world. He couldn’t do anything about that goal but knock yourselves out haha
Is it something Trent was experiencing for the first time? Did he not play against Spurs in 2018?
In my book, bottling is when you lose your head at an important moment. Which he did. It's not reserved only for cowardice, it also applies to people getting overwhelmed/overwrought and messing up.
He actually had a decent game, one momentary lapse of concentration and the cross was excellent anyway. Seen some Liverpool fans online meltdown and say he should be sold. Would take him in an instant.
He was facing a side who had absolutely no fear of his game and a flank that could easily have him in knots. I expected Vinicius to roast him last night and be decisive in determining the game, wouldn't reserve that for Spurs. Real Madrid bringing their game, conviction and expectation is obviously another stratosphere.
Bottling is also when you're old enough to do better and handle your nerves and emotions... experienced heads dropping a bollock, or players who have been there and worn the t-shirt, they are more what I'd consider bottling. He was well below par and not the player Liverpool have become reliant on, but me personally wouldn't put it down to bottling in the broad sense of the term.
Happens really often with him
I'm not saying it's not understandable to a degree that he bottled it. But it doesn't change the fact he did. His emotions got the better of him I felt.
He was crap in attack and defence Vs real Madrid.
Against top opposition he's not good enough. Crap in attack and defence against RM, probably the worst player on the pitch.
He may not defend but he can see things that other can't 
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.He's an average winger with a world class crossing technique playing as a RB.
He can't defend against quality opponents and isn't talented enough to play RW for a top club.
The Beckham comparisons
He can't defend against quality opponents and isn't talented enough to play RW for a top club.
The Beckham comparisons
his delivery and shooting were awful
The 'genius' of Klopp knows he cannot defend. Although loyalty has got in the way here. Anyone breathing can see this. Jose exploited this when he was our manager. I mean how can you be a defender for a top and be caught ball watching in the biggest game of the season, leaving your man unmarked. And that CAN be coached. Sunday league players are coached this. Our kids football team knows this. He is a lot of things. A defender, he isnt. Obviously.
Absolutely. Had a terrible game
This is just priceless
The thing with him is that he is so so good at attacking and Liverpool are rarely on the back foot in games that it tends to cover the fact hes not actually great at defending. Hes good, but not as great as hes made out to be at that side of it.
He lost Vinicius so badly it was like watching AWB.
Great to see this pr!ck eat some humble pie.
Ah the "we can't laugh at anyone" police in to tell us what we already know about ourselves.
Take a weekend off
Except when he didn't. Just like Trent
Not sure about bottling but yeah. The problem yesterday was he wasn't good enough in attack
Iirc best player on the pitch in that game
Not really, and what he offers at the other end makes it generally meaningless anyways
Funny that this thread would be made after a game in which the liverpool defender that got *eaten alive* was Robertson...
He is ok in defending but amazing in attack, in most games Liverpool will need his attacking more than defending.
People just dont like him.
People just dont like him.
And understandably so
Same goes for every player.
Van Dijk became complacent and paid for it. If it was Maguire in his place allowing the cross, people would made gifs and memes and laugh at him.
Not entirely true. It’s gotten pretty toxic with Liverpool threads in the last few weeks and he just happens to be the next target.
This. The hatred he gets is bizarre. Makes me wonder why, is the because he's english, black or from Liverpool?
No it's because he gets hyped up like he's one of the best RB's ever even though his defending is poor. clearly gets targeted in the big games he was lucky Konate had a great game and covered for him so many times
Didn’t see the late runner.
That should do it.
He improved his 1v1 defending, but not sure about crosses/positionally, as seen yesterday. But a lot of defenders ball watch ocassionally and forget their man.
Hahaha why you got to mention race at all?
People dislike him because he's a scouser, don't need to put to much into it to know it.
Reece James is English, black and plays in the same position as him for a rival club. I'm taking a stab in the dark here and say it's the Liverpool thing that's the telling factor.
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They attack Keita on their forums while ignoring this:
twitter.com/Devonsii/status/1530871206529867777
I mean how easy was this for him, Jogs towards the goal for a tap in, no Liverpool player anywhere. This is the biggest game of the year.
twitter.com/Devonsii/status/1530871206529867777
I mean how easy was this for him, Jogs towards the goal for a tap in, no Liverpool player anywhere. This is the biggest game of the year.
James is better but if I was Southgate I'd probably have given a ton of time in qualifying and friendlies to playing them both with TAA in a midfield 3.
Really? His performance thread would continually be a bloodbath because of his defensive shortcomings.
Abomination of a defender.
You do wonder if him costing them goals at key moments (tried to excuse him in CL final, but he completely misread the cross and didn’t follow his man) is worth it.
He should be moved into midfield because he is a liability as a defender and his moments will always cost them sooner or later.
He should be moved into midfield because he is a liability as a defender and his moments will always cost them sooner or later.
He can’t play in midfield. I think Klopp’s take on it is that you just live with his mistakes, for every 2 or 3 he messes up on he creates about 5 or 6. Not for me personally but I guess in modern football thats acceptable.
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