Everyone who's criticising him, would you take him here? And if he wasn't scouse, would the answer be the same?
Trent can’t defend
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Yeah but surely for a system that is 3-5-2 with a double pivot of Henderson and Rice, he should be playing RWB/RM
I can see why they’re targeting Ramsay from Aberdeen. We should scupper that deal.
That cross was mint. So much power. If thats a mistake everything is
Nah. Our right back is comfortably better defensively and offensively.
I would welcome him with open arms. I still think James is better.
Agree. Not his biggest fan by any means but with the way England play he should be a shoe in.
As we play today? No I wouldn’t want him because he would get fecking decimated. If we had a better team and style of play, absolutely, scouse or not.
I've never really understood the hype with Trent. Robertson is Liverpool's best fullback.
He's such a bad defender. I'd take James over him.
Debatable. Both are have excellent delivery but I don’t see TAA doing things like this:
In the PL this season he definitely is. The only argument for Trent previously was that his output was superior but it's not anymore. Let's also not forget that Reece James is servicing Lukaku/Werner and not Salah/Mane/Diaz/Jota.
I wonder if they've heard of Dani Alves.
But I agree. He is going to be caught out sometimes because Klopp wants him to go forward but there are times where he simply gets it wrong and loses his man.
That was pretty silly to tweet. You're asking for it.
Sees the back of his shirt at least.
I think we may have had this discussion before but Reece got those 5 goals and 9 assists from an expected 2.6 goals and 5.7 assists, having slightly underperformed his xG and xA in previous seasons.
One curtailed and likely unsustainable season of returns does not a better attacker make. Let's see him repeat that rate of output across multiple seasons, as TAA has his.
Why even talk about anything? All of our players are subpar, therefore we might as well stay mute as a fan base. Only the winners can have any kind of opinion on anything football related. Sounds great!
To be fair, I don't see any wing back who could defend Vinicius Junior on counter.
Defended well yesterday actually, when he had to. Sometimes you just come up in a bad spot against a guy who is faster than you, it happens...
Bottled is harsh - he's very young and the occasion and opposition giving him so much to think about could well have been overwhelming.
But for sure, he has to negate his defensive frailties by being extraordinary in attack.
I also think he's worldclass. His attacking prowess makes it a worthwhile trade off. However, in a final, I don't think Southgate would even consider picking him ahead of James.
Unfair question given how shite our full backs are. Given the gegenpress style Liverpool play Trent isn’t as exposed as he could be. Every manager knows he’s their defensive weak link, which granted isn’t helped by Liverpool’s high line. Few sides expose Robertson the same way though.
AWB because he will be cemented in his place
Great player. Went to sleep for two biggest games in the season for Liverpool and was at direct fault for Jesus goal vs City and yesterday. Should never stop playing for them.
Reece James did ok didn't he?
It cost them yesterday, but generally speaking he does so much more good than bad for Liverpool going the other way.
As an attacking force all those nerdy stats: (his chance creation, actual assists, expected assists, progressive passing etc…) are up there and comparable with the likes of De Bruyne. He is basically the no.10 for Liverpool, from right back.
He’s a wanker but I’d love to have a right back as good as him in an offensive sense.
As an attacking force all those nerdy stats: (his chance creation, actual assists, expected assists, progressive passing etc…) are up there and comparable with the likes of De Bruyne. He is basically the no.10 for Liverpool, from right back.
He’s a wanker but I’d love to have a right back as good as him in an offensive sense.
Yeah, weird thread. Apart from the goal he was fine. Obviously that’s made the difference in the final but he made a lot of good tackles and interceptions last night aside from that. It could have been worse if him and Konate weren’t on it. Personally I thought VVD was poor yesterday if we are talking about defenders. TAA was exposed because he and VJ like to play as high up the pitch as possible.
Where did I say anything about not having opinions on anything? Proper weird take on my post. Go and read it again.
I just think if the shoe was on the other foot, we’d be laughing at Liverpool fans. Like if they were saying Evra was shite and had Konchesky at full back.
He’s clearly a top full back, slating someone because Reece James is marginally better is just a bit weird.
Neither does Reece James but you’ve mentioned him in this thread.
Agreed. Ever since the injury I feel like whenever he’s in a one on one he just crabwalks backwards until the situation is resolved. It happened for the goal last night — he gave Valverde the space to make the cross. On the other side Konate was extremely assertive in his one v ones and gave Vini nothing whenever he got isolated
You can say it's one moment but he actually has those moments from time to time and had them at the most crucial moments this season. The league game vs City had the league on the line and he was the only one who switched off and completely lost track of Jesus.
We had the best defense in 09 and went into the CL final and despite starting well gave them one little opening and got punished. Years later and it's cost us one of the biggest titles at a time when we were at our prime and should have capitalised on it. There are times when one or two mistakes can cost you everything you worked for and you cant afford it.
Must have attended the AWB school of backpost defending.
I’m not disagreeing that he’s poor defensively, I think that’s the obvious glaring weakness in his game but I think it’s overstated / he was okay last night and there were poorer defenders on the pitch on his own side including the greatest of all time despite winning only 1 CL and 1 PL Mr VVD.
you’re right that it’s fine margins though but i’d be looking more at why experienced players like Salah/Mane/VVD didn’t step up and win them the game when the former two had glorious chances to do just that and failed.
Yep, I agree, during the title win he had one of the best seasons ever but this talk about GOAT in the PL or the world is absolute guff.
I think the sentiment of this thread extends beyond just last night's game. We just saw another instance of what has been common knowledge for a while now and again it happened in an absolutely critical game. It's rather relevant to the discussion of picking him for England something that keeps coming up when again in a WC KO game you don't want players who suffer such lapses in concentration.
Probably cost a brain damage
Being young may be a reason why he bottled it but it doesn't mean he didn't. And just to be clear, I don't mean he bottled it because he let Vinicius go for the goal, sometimes it happens against a good winger, particularly when you're not the best defender. What I mean is he bottled it in attack, which is what he's in the team for. Overhit crosses, wasteful passing, didn't beat Vinicius or Mendy much dribbling...
Like you say I think he may have been a bit overwhelmed, but also I rather suspect he convinced himself that Sky and Cafu and all the other people hyping him are right - he's the best - and lost his focus a bit. Seemed like he was getting het up about his duels with Vinicius and Mendy and not focusing on what the team needed of him to me.
For all those criticizing Trent, let's be honest, if we had a player like him at United (superb in attack but lacking in defence ), we'd still be pretty chuffed. He still offers more than AWB ever will.
He is world class in what he specialises in
He is world class in what he specialises in
TAA, better than the worst defence United have had in 30 years. Yes, he's obviously a super footballer, but this thread is a reaction to the fawning.
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