We should do this again...
GK: Split
Defense: City
Midfield: City
Attack: City
Manager: City
Youtube page: City
GK: Split
Defense: City
Midfield: City
Attack: City
Manager: City
Youtube page: City
United vs City squad comparison 2016/17
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
You should keep bumping this.
Maybe your personal world 11, but in reality Pogba and Shaw wouldn't get close to a world 11.
Website: United, since the wix sponsored takeover of the city site made it completely unusable/irrelevant
This is a useless comparison. Good players can look poor in a dysfunctional team, and limited players can add value in a well functioning team. We don't need to look beyond Fergie and post Fergie-era how certain players could look world class under one manager and poor beyond repair under another.
Fact of the matter is DDG, Shaw, Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Rashford, Bailly, Blind, Mata, Zlatan, Martial are all excellent players and it's up to Mourinho to turn them into a well functioning team.
As far as I'm concerned, when comparing City vs United only one comparison is needed, Pep vs Mou, and the Catalan is winning this (so far) hands down.
Fact of the matter is DDG, Shaw, Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Rashford, Bailly, Blind, Mata, Zlatan, Martial are all excellent players and it's up to Mourinho to turn them into a well functioning team.
As far as I'm concerned, when comparing City vs United only one comparison is needed, Pep vs Mou, and the Catalan is winning this (so far) hands down.
Good point. However, on youtube page, I think City has by far the best content in all of football. Surprise other teams don't follow suit.
We finished level on points with city last year and they didn't really add anyone impressive other than Gundogan and they're light years ahead of us now. How did this happen?
The only reason we finished equal points with City was due to City announcing Pep during the season which destabilised their season.
You can't say that as if it's a fact. The fact is we finished level on points with them last year, and this year we seem to be lagging behind. I'm looking for explanations why we're behind this year, not what happened last year.
You asked how are they are light years ahead of us this season when we finished equal points with them last season. My point is they where "light years" ahead of us squad wise last season just because we signed better players then them in the summer doesn't atomically make us a equal or better team. We fill find out end of the season where we are but we are the ones catching up.
They're not. We gave them a hell of a game a week ago. We've just had our confidence knocked, they haven't.
Currently I'd choose something like:
De Gea
Valencia - Bailly - Blind - Shaw
Gundogan - Fernandinho - Pogba
KDB - Ibra - Sterling
With Rooney shoehorned in a 4231 we're never going to see our best attacking play, whilst every one of their defenders and GK has a mistake in them.
In the end I think they'll score more than us, even though Aguero's hamstrings are made of chewing gum. We will have a better defensive record quite easily. I'm not sold on Stones being ready for prime time, and Kompany has slipped into a fitness decline. Though I do think Otamendi will look better this season.
Each squad has obvious weaknesses which, given an annual holidays in the English game injury crisis, will tip their season this way or that if it's where they're lacking depth.
, Are you a City fan?
Really? Not considering age, why is DDG better than Bravo exactly? Because United allowed more goals than City or the fact United has lost 3 straight games.
Next 3 out of 4 games: Leicester City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Who knows, Stoke might get their first win
Don't worry guys, we will revisit this after the Chelsea game.
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Are you 5 years old? Waiting almost a month to reply because the timing suits you. You could've replied after Bravo's City debut as well, but conveniently didn't. Just go away.
They're just letting anyone in these days.
According to that reasoning Bravo was shit during his years in Real Sociedad because received many goals and didn't have clean sheets.
Don't understand this either. What ever happened to the newbie system?
@NYC are you satisfied how the season has begun for City? Are you happy with Pep's work?
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There's no point in comparing the players one by one, football doesn't work like that. There are three lines (defense, midfield, attack) and 3 phases in the game (defending, attacking, transitioning) in which all outfield players are involved.
When it comes to quality on the ball and skills in 1v1 situations they are certainly ahead of us and probably ahead of any other team in the Premier League. It's nothing new really since they had that in their previous title wins under Mancini and Pellegrini who both were not anything special tactically but they were blessed with tons of quality in the attacking half. And now they have a manager who's not only tactically astute but also loves to have as many talented on the ball players as he can in his team. He knows how to put them to good use.
But one can argue that this was expected at this stage of the season because Mourinho would need more time to implement his tactics after LvG's attempt to teach possession football to these players. The difference is in the defensive aspect of the game where City's high pressing seems to compensate for their ultra attacking midfield (Silva, KdB) and their back four which consists of players who are keen on making individual errors under pressure (despite being good overall players). At the same time our much deeper defending isn't giving us the desired protection because of our bad positioning and (mainly)our inability to defend against attackers from the second line of offense (CMs, FBs) since Pogba, Rooney and the wingers don't do the required tracking back throughout the 90 minutes.
In the phase of the build up play, we are trying to play football with Fellaini and Rooney in the midfield. There's nothing else to be said. If there's anything more annoying that that is Conte who despite having a deep lying play maker in his team insists on not using him.
When it comes to quality on the ball and skills in 1v1 situations they are certainly ahead of us and probably ahead of any other team in the Premier League. It's nothing new really since they had that in their previous title wins under Mancini and Pellegrini who both were not anything special tactically but they were blessed with tons of quality in the attacking half. And now they have a manager who's not only tactically astute but also loves to have as many talented on the ball players as he can in his team. He knows how to put them to good use.
But one can argue that this was expected at this stage of the season because Mourinho would need more time to implement his tactics after LvG's attempt to teach possession football to these players. The difference is in the defensive aspect of the game where City's high pressing seems to compensate for their ultra attacking midfield (Silva, KdB) and their back four which consists of players who are keen on making individual errors under pressure (despite being good overall players). At the same time our much deeper defending isn't giving us the desired protection because of our bad positioning and (mainly)our inability to defend against attackers from the second line of offense (CMs, FBs) since Pogba, Rooney and the wingers don't do the required tracking back throughout the 90 minutes.
In the phase of the build up play, we are trying to play football with Fellaini and Rooney in the midfield. There's nothing else to be said. If there's anything more annoying that that is Conte who despite having a deep lying play maker in his team insists on not using him.
Pep gets the best out of his players and de Bruyne, Aguero, Silva, Fernandinho and Gundogan are just superior to our playees by a decent margin.
To be honest it's not really about which squad is better, more how they are coached, managed and galvanised as a team, both tactically and mentally.
You have a solid spine: De Gea, Pogba, Martial, Zlatan
But the players around them could be better. Kinda like City when the money first came in I guess.
They had Hart, Toure, Silva, Aguero.
But the players around them could be better. Kinda like City when the money first came in I guess.
They had Hart, Toure, Silva, Aguero.
Because Bravo is awful in the box and it looks unlikely if he'll improve much at this stage. Bravo also comes from a league that is very kind to goalies. PL is much, much tougher and will expose the softer ones in the box. Bravo is better with his feet, but other than that, DDG looks a more solid goalie all around.
That's a myth.
They went on to make the SFs of the UCL and win the league cup!
Man City dropped 9 points after winning on boxing day in seven games. Won less than half of their games in that period. Guardiola was announced on the 1st of Feb and they won the match the next day. The reason they struggled briefly after that was they came up against better in form teams in Leicester, Liverpool and Spurs. Played a youth team against Chelsea. Conveniently ignored that City lost 1 game(vs United) in a 12 game run in March and April which included two games against PSG, one vs Real.
The real reason Man City struggled for top 4 last season was their performances against the top clubs. They only won one game against the top 8 in 14 matches. 42 points were available against the top 8 teams, Man City took 7 points from those 42 last season. Guardiola has already matched that one victory in one match.
De Gea is better than Bravo without question.
The mind boggles at this logic! I'm hoping this is just a troll?
No Aguero?
I prefer the City CB's but at this moment in time I think your team is fair.
Bravo is a great keeper and the British media vastly underrate him, but De Gea is the superior keeper.
Honestly this is ban worthy its that's stupid.
Aguero hasn't played since August whereas Zlatan has scored 4 in 5. There's a case for either, although on their day Zlatan is the better player.
I think Stones will come good but right now he's a liability, and the rest are even worse.
Another important factor was losing De Bruyne for all of February and March. While perhaps not in the impressive form he is right now, he was already a very important part of their team last season and you could tell they missed his presence during those 2 months.
Aguero has 7 goals in 5 games this season. Scored a hat-trick vs Gladbach last week. On their day it's a personal preference, both world class.
Stones hasn't been a liability this season to be fair, playing well. Otamendi has easily been the best CB out of both clubs this season.
Very true, Kompany also came back into the team after being injured and had stinkers against Liverpool and Spurs.
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I disagree on Stones. He'll be good for 89 minutes but there are always a couple of stinkers. Otamendi has been decent after a shocking last season but i'd still rather have Blind.
The squad comparisons won't matter if one team continues to extract the best out of what it has and the other doesn't. Man to man, I don't think either team has an edge overall.
Bravo as good as/better than De Gea?
Ok mate.
Weird how Bravo has become so immensely rated now he's at City. I don't remember them rating him so highly prior to this summer. Funny, that.
Ok mate.
Weird how Bravo has become so immensely rated now he's at City. I don't remember them rating him so highly prior to this summer. Funny, that.
Almost all defenders make some mistakes at some stage of a match. Blind certainly has. It's how costly they are that dictates how long we remember them for.
You started off by calling Stones a liability now are saying he's good for 89 minutes of a game. Quite a climb down. He has been involved in 2 opposition goals this season (Sunderland and United) both of which the keeper was more culpable than him.
Immensely rated? Leave off the hyperbole. He had good stats at Barca but this is a new challenge for him.
Bravo fecked up a couple of times v United but has been decent in 2 games since (2 clean sheets) but really too soon to judge him.
DDG is a superb keeper at his best but seems a bit below that at the moment. I'm sure he'll be back to peak form soon enough.
He's not as good as De Gea (no keeper in the league is) but Bravo in my opinion is a really brilliant keeper.
Swap in Aguero for ibrahimovic and that's my team.