Got to laugh of the guy. So immature.
Virgil van Dijk | Performances
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Didn't know that Van Dijk is such a dick.
Glad Keane shut him straight down. Getting arrogant for someone that’s only really had 1 good season and plays for a team that’s won 1 premier league title.
Wasn't even a real title either
People are funny get so offended over what VVD said. He has a bit of a point and if one of our players would be taking the piss out of a rival club like that, many here would cheer it.
You should be happy he said what he said. Brings a little spice back into the rivalry which has been missing.
He mentions 'they're buzzing with a point'. There wasn't much footage of the overall pitch but in most of the close ups straight after the match, it was fairly mundane with players shaking hands etc. Nobody looked like they were ecstatic but merely content after a gruelling game.
Unless it was in the dressing rooms and/or our players were jumping for joy or something in the tunnels, this reeks of grandiose delusions.
Unless it was in the dressing rooms and/or our players were jumping for joy or something in the tunnels, this reeks of grandiose delusions.
It's definitely not helped that, bar 08/09, neither of us have been in competition for the title at the same time. When we were good, you weren't. Now that you're good, we aren't. It's pretty unique, really. We are the big two in England but have never really had a prolonged title chase throughout multiple seasons between us like Real Madrid and Barcelona, AC Milan and Inter, Bayern Munich and Dortmund have. In my lifetime, anyway
He's having a meltdown for whatever reason. Even the fact that they're sitting 2nd is already a miracle because I didn't see a lot between the two teams in that game. They're just as shite as us. Keep crying.
They wouldn't have scored with 90 additional minutes.
I'm not gonna lie, if one of my team's players said that I'd cringe and hope he stops talking like that in post match interviews.
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Can't believe how much an honest remark has rattled these scouse clowns
They're rolling out all their dinosaurs. Kenny next?Heh.
I heard they're all going to be wearing Virgil is not Arrogant t-shirts before their next game. They love the Streisand effect over there.Tweet
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Can't believe how much an honest remark has rattled these scouse clowns
He's an excellent training cone sometimes.
I wonder if he got permission from Geppetto to post that.Tweet
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Big nosed twat.
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Italy next I imagine.
Do think he will be off along with Salah this summer.
Inter probably.
Then, how do you rate him in PL, if he leaves at the end of the season
1. With Liverpool not winning any trophy.
2. With Liverpool winning the league title
Doesn’t make sense. He came in 2019. Won the league, CL, FA cup, and league cup
Can see him at Barca.
You didn't understand my question
My question was, if he does leave at the end of the season, with Liverpool winning the title this season where does Van Dijk rank in PL.
Or if Liverpool doesn't win any trophy this season and he leaves where does that leave him at?
I believe with another PL title this season then he solidifies his status as an PL great.
But if he doesn't win any of those trophies for a second time, is that enough to still rank him among the best ever PL defenders?
Right now his trophy haul doesn't even compare to Gary Cahill, let alone some of the PL greats.
And that’s why a player’s trophy haul is a limited metric.
It is. Performances are important as well. He was great for a limited time, and wasn't anymore after that, reverting to a good but not excellent defender - being actually pretty bad at times. He'll rank as being one of the good PL defenders historically, but not one of the greats - just a level behind them.
Then the Pool PR machine (which in fairness has been ongoing for him for a while) will try to make sure he is always included in "all time greats" debates, obviously.
Think that's sort of how I see it, also. A peak for around 12-18 months at an extremely high level, with the rest of his time at Saints/Pool ranging from decent to pretty good.
Just imagine your captain saying something like that. Way to add to the uncertainty.
The Caf PR machine routinely includes Stam as well in those "greats" lists.
Agree with the overall sentiment though. If he leaves after this season (and even if he doesn't), he'll be a tier below the likes of Terry and Ferdinand.
Yeah, better defender than Van Dijk, but too short a time in the PL to reasonably be in there.
Not quite sure how that's relevant though? Was it your gotcha moment?
No, just pointing out that your own fanbase is guilty of overhyping your own players as well. And that a "Liverpool PR machine" doesn't really exist in reality.
Terms like "your own fanbase" don't actually mean anything though. It also has nothing to do with me or my opinions?
The amount of ex-Liverpool players in the media is actually very real, as is "the Liverpool PR machine" - you just need to see the narrative around the club in general and around Klopp more recently to see how tangible is. You've also already said on this forum you don't follow British media, so what exactly are you arguing here?
You used to be so reasonable, Robin
Stam won 3 league titles in 3 years, including a treble. He also won a lot before and after United which strengthens the argument he was an excellent defender, but doesn't add to his Premier League achievements.
Not sure if your argument works here.
It's okay because he wasn't dribbled past for more than 10 games, that's the most important thing to consider.
I think that just comes from an anti-Liverpool bias.
I'd certainly include him as one of the greats, and I think when all's said and done that's where most people will place him. I'd go further and say that if I had to choose from one of those greats in their prime I'd probably go for Van Dijk.
But which "narrative" are you referring to here? I think I am trying to argue that you tend to rate a lot of Liverpool-related things very (extremely) negative because of your dislike of our club. I think you're a great poster but when it comes to Liverpool I routinely find myself thinking that you come across very negative / bitter / biased, whatever you'd like to call it. But it is striking, to me at least.
It used to be waaayyyy more fun in the football forums when we were still bad, before Klopp came around and during his early days. When most used to laugh at us - now quite a few have turned into the conspiracy theory guys they used to mock back in the days. Trying to stay clear from Liverpool-discussions as much as possible.You used to be so reasonable, Robin
As someone said above, a player's trophy haul is a limited metric. Stam just happened to be part of a historically strong United team, that's not (entirely) related to how good a defender he was. Van Dijk won everything he could've won at Liverpool in a relatively short timeframe, whilst going up against a better domestic opponent than United did in Stam's period. I actually think they would be in the same tier for me, which is one below the very best defenders.
Ah now I know what I need to do to drive you out of the NFL thread. There's only room for one Saints in there.
You can't handle another Dennis Allen / Derek Carr led season on your own in there mate
I actually think you're underplaying Van Dijk there.
It seems to me that the main determinant here (after ability) for who's a PL great and who's not, is just longevity and trophy haul in the league. For example, if Paolo Maldini or Franco Baresi moved to the PL in their prime but only stayed for 3 or 4 seasons people wouldn't include them in this list. In which case who cares about the fecking list!
VvD one of the greats?