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Remember he went all out to get his move to Liverpool from Southampton. Who’s to say he won’t do the same to Liverpool if if Real or Barca come in for him
Because the overall impact of a world class attacker is much greater than that of a defender.At last. Defenders get the credit they deserve.
Why the big individual prizes in football only go to attackers has always astounded me.
Liverpool lost one Premier League game all season conceding just 22 goals along the way , oh and they and won the Champions League. So yeah, absolutely VVD had a better season than Messi.Better than a 51 goal 19 assist in 50 games player last season? No chance.
Messi is a victim of his own success. If him and Ronaldo only starting playing football this season and put out them numbers they would have won it.
People are clearly bored and just want to see other people win it.
Bullshit.Because the overall impact of a world class attacker is much greater than that of a defender.
Aye. If Barcelona had VVD in their side, I'd imagine it'd have been them lifting ol big ears rather than Liverpool.Bullshit.
Debatable. In the past, attackers made the difference when the team was built on defence. That isnt true nowadays. In a successful team, you need world class players on both sides of the pitch. In todays football, world class defenders stand out massively IMO and are worth every pennyBecause the overall impact of a world class attacker is much greater than that of a defender.
VVD in that team instead of Messi? No chance.Aye. If Barcelona had VVD in their side, I'd imagine it'd have been them lifting ol big ears rather than Liverpool.
So who are they?Debatable. In the past, attackers made the difference when the team was built on defence. That isnt true nowadays. In a successful team, you need world class players on both sides of the pitch. In todays football, world class defenders stand out massively IMO and are worth every penny
Attackers are more thrilling though and easier to be a fan of.
Who said instead of Messi?VVD in that team instead of Messi? No chance.
Goes both ways that.Mane and Salah wouldn't get half the credit and acclaim they are getting now if VVD & Alison weren't stopping everything on the other side to actually win them games and trophies.
So I don't get it...Who said instead of Messi?
What you're saying is, last seasons CL semi finalist would've won the CL if they managed to add the winning teams best player? Yeah I agree.Aye. If Barcelona had VVD in their side, I'd imagine it'd have been them lifting ol big ears rather than Liverpool.
Because they were just better. Which defender do you think deserved to win it in the last decade but didn't?At last. Defenders get the credit they deserve.
Why the big individual prizes in football only go to attackers has always astounded me.
Well, the guy that won the trophy last night for starters? I'd say the serious lack of world class CBs these days actually makes Van Dijk stand out even more.So who are they?
Salah was POTY 2 seasons ago, and Liverpool didn't have VVD for half of that. Attackers are far less reliant on their defenders than vice-versa.Goes both ways that.
It's backed up by the transfer market, where the best attackers regularly demand greater sums than their defensive counterparts.Bullshit.
Absolutely. So despite having the best forward in the World, Barca came up short. Liverpool didn't.What you're saying is, last seasons CL semi finalist would've won the CL if they managed to add the winning teams best player? Yeah I agree.
People spending more money on "meh" like Coutinho and James isn't "backing up" any point whatsoever.It's backed up by the transfer market, where the best attackers regularly demand greater sums than their defensive counterparts.
What competitions did Salah win 2 seasons ago?Salah was POTY 2 seasons ago, and Liverpool didn't have VVD for half of that. Attackers are far less reliant on their defenders than vice-versa.
Might have been the CL if it wasn't for a bit of bad luck in the final.What competitions did Salah win 2 seasons ago?
The fee paid for players is irrelevant to their overall impact on a team. It's pure nonsense that an attacker has a greater influence on a team than a midfielder or a defender and it just depends on the player himself.It's backed up by the transfer market, where the best attackers regularly demand greater sums than their defensive counterparts.
Liverpool had the best defender in the world the season before, they also came up short.Absolutely. So despite having the best forward in the World, Barca came up short. Liverpool didn't.
So defenders are every bit as important as attackers.
As for "I don't get it". The original post I responded to was:
"Because the overall impact of a world class attacker is much greater than that of a defender."
Which, is nonsense.
So the answer was nothing. Cheers.Might have been the CL if it wasn't for a bit of bad luck in the final.
They won the biggest competition in club football.Liverpool had the best defender in the world the season before, they also came up short.
I'm pretty sure it was Real Madrid who won it then. Who definitely didn't have the best defender in the world.The won the biggest competition in club football.
As a United fan, I hope we come up short every year.
It isn't right but that is exactly the reason. That is the only Messi match in people's memory and that is what the voting is based on.I think the 4-0 took all awards from Messi.
Attackers don't cost more than midfielders and defenders for nothing.The fee paid for players is irrelevant to their overall impact on a team. It's pure nonsense that an attacker has a greater influence on a team than a midfielder or a defender and it just depends on the player himself.
Ah, "the season before". Missed that.I'm pretty sure it was Real Madrid who won it then. Who definitely didn't have the best defender in the world.
It's a daft point that @kouroux, because both Dembele and Coutinho cost Barca miles more than VVD... yet are you telling me Barca wouldn't have been a much better side without these two attackers and with the Dutchman?Attackers don't cost more than midfielders and defenders for nothing.
This is my take away from this thread. Love it how Mane slips under the radar. Would explain why there is no serious clamour to prise him away from us. Madrid 'asked' half heartedly but no real push to unsettle him or willingness to throw big money.Deserved. Without him, Liverpool isn’t winning the champions league. Surprised Mane is so high up there.
Those 2 yes, because Barcelona massively overpaid for those 2.It's a daft point that @kouroux, because both Dembele and Coutinho cost Barca miles more than VVD... yet are you telling me Barca wouldn't have been a much better side without these two attackers and with the Dutchman?
I'm talking world class players. Do you believe Van Dijk has an equal level of impact on a single game as Messi and Ronaldo?The fee paid for players is irrelevant to their overall impact on a team. It's pure nonsense that an attacker has a greater influence on a team than a midfielder or a defender and it just depends on the player himself.
The point was that clubs spend more on attackers, and these two prove that's normally a fecking stupid idea. That's the whole point man.Those 2 yes, because Barcelona massively overpaid for those 2.
There's much better attacking players than those 2 though.
Yeah I'm not really disagreeing with you on why clubs spend more on attackers.The point was that clubs spend more on attackers, and these two prove that's normally a fecking stupid idea. That's the whole point man.
Barca should have spent that Neymar money on Koulibaly or VVD but attackers appease fans more and get the juices flowing for the marketing departments.
Marketability is one thing, for starters.Attackers don't cost more than midfielders and defenders for nothing.
VVD went for 75m just a few months after they signed Coutinho and Dembele, so in essence they bought VVD for Liverpool.I personally don't think they needed to buy a CB, but obviously if they could have gotten Koulibaly or VVD, you make the signing.
As Ronaldo, yes. As Messi, on average not. But one single game doesn't mean anything over the course of a season, which was perfectly illustrated last season. Over a whole season, a defender can have as big a, if not a bigger impact on a team than an attacker. I might be inclined to agree on Messi but just because he's otherworldly.I'm talking world class players. Do you believe Van Dijk has an equal level of impact on a single game as Messi and Ronaldo?
A United fan should know better also, when Rio didn't play we never looked the same side and the way our team went after selling Stam....Marketability is one thing, for starters.
What "overall greater impact" did Ronaldo have on Juve last season? They still won the same things they always win. His overall impact on the team was far less than Van Dijk's impact on Liverpool, and that's irrespective of transfer fees. Diego Godin cost Atlético €8m yet his impact on their style of play was bigger than any attacker they signed during his time there.
It depends on the player individually, so it's daft to say that attackers overall have a greater impact on a team than other types of players. And even if you believe that, transfer fees don't matter one bit in the discussion. If we signed Lewandowski for €200m in January he wouldn't (positively) impact our level whatsoever, regardless of his fee.