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Not the right, her family, her husband.

They don't want her to be used as a political pawn. Of course using her memory to educate, remember and inform is fine. Not to score cheap points though.
That commendable generosity of spirit is what I'd expect of such people; I can rarely say the same of our elected representatives.
 

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A week or so back I mentioned the man from Manchester murdered by his neighbours over Brexit. The victim, a leave voter, killed by a remain voter.
I feel bad correcting this because it was a disgusting attack, but it was by one man alone. Though the victim was indeed severely beaten and died a mere six hours later it should be said he was found not to have been murdered. His attacker was convicted of assault, no charges of murder or manslaughter were ever brought or sought.
 

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I haven't assumed what her family want. They have said it themselves.
When? Please link?

The latest response from her husband is below. You'll see he says he expects her to be spoken about as she was a public figure. He actually criticised people using her name to push things she didn't believe in. I.e Boris Johnson using her name to push Brexit.

So once again, why do you assume her name should not be spoken?

As a general rule do you really believe that is the best way to move on from and learn from a tragedy? To not speak about it at all. Again, it seems a strange approach.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...death-brendan-brexit-parliament-a9121041.html
 

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I feel bad correcting this because it was a disgusting attack, but it was by one man alone. Though the victim was indeed severely beaten and died a mere six hours later it should be said he was found not to have been murdered. His attacker was convicted of assault, no charges of murder or manslaughter were ever brought or sought.
That's fair enough. But it still highlights the dangers of such language on the whole.
 

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You really don’t get it. Unfortunately I’m travelling all day so can’t draw you a nice chart yet.

Parliament is sovereign. They can do and legislate for whatever they choose. They can write impeachment legislation, define the punishment as being fired out of a cannon, impeach and convict him based on their new legislation, and then fire him out of a cannon.

The Supreme Court ruling was clear.
That is a very different answer to "parliament is sovereign" so thank you.

The way you used it to answer the question was such that it could be used to answer any question regarding parliament. That, given enough support, they could effectively push anything through, no matter how absurd.

So yes, if they could garner enough support they might be able to create new impeachment laws which allow them to impeach the PM, or any other MP.
 

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That is a very different answer to "parliament is sovereign" so thank you.

The way you used it to answer the question was such that it could be used to answer any question regarding parliament. That, given enough support, they could effectively push anything through, no matter how absurd.

So yes, if they could garner enough support they might be able to create new impeachment laws which allow them to impeach the PM, or any other MP.
That’s exactly what parliament is sovereign means. That they can do whatever they like, no matter how absurd. (There are actually limits to such supremacy, but not in the sense of enacting absurd bills )
 

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Very petty.

Johnson may well prorogue again on that basis but for a much shorter time in order to have the conference.
 

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Very petty.

Johnson may well prorogue again on that basis but for a much shorter time in order to have the conference.
I'm curious: what does it feel like to have your man's ass whipped every time he tries to do anything? Genuine question, as you have unique empathy here.
 

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I'm curious: what does it feel like to have your man's ass whipped every time he tries to do anything? Genuine question, as you have unique empathy here.
I don't engage in tribal politics. I will leave that to others.
 

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Why are you defending the indefensible then???? What happened yesterday in the House of Commons was unacceptable and anyone condoning yesterday’s behavior needs to have a long look in the mirror and ask themselves in what kind of society they want to live in!
I'm not defending anyone specifically and not denying inflammatory language has been used, all I'm saying is that I have seen and heard inflammatory language and behaviour on BOTH sides of the house. I found the behaviour of the government and the opposition benches unacceptable, as I have for the last 3 years. They are all a self serving rabble in my opinion that need sweeping out of Westminster. Extreme right capitalists on one side and Extreme left socialists on the other all shouting each other down with snide and unprofessional narrative.

And that's it, each side has its own narrative and that is what is driving this situation like the centre of the suns core. Constant fission. There should be proper cross party talks to get through this and it should be done in a professional and dignified way to put an end to this.

I've said before, the world can watch our parliament and I am deeply ashamed of both sides.
 

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Sometimes i like to play a game of "if this person lived in X" what would they do or be involved in.
 

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BJ's sister also taking issue (along with younger brother before). Don't hear her criticising 'both sides' either.

When asked who's behind her brother's behaviour: "It could be Cummings advising the PM to be extremely aggressive...it could be people who have invested billions in shorting the £ in the expectation of a no-deal Brexit."

I don't need to add any personal commentary.
 

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Wow.

"Dominic Cummings, was shortly afterwards confronted on the parliamentary estate by the Labour MP Karl Turner, who said MPs including himself had received more death threats. Cummings responded: “Well, vote for a deal then.”"
He's making it sound like blackmail.
 

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Wow.

"Dominic Cummings, was shortly afterwards confronted on the parliamentary estate by the Labour MP Karl Turner, who said MPs including himself had received more death threats. Cummings responded: “Well, vote for a deal then.”"

Boris Johnson refuses to apologise for language about Jo Cox https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/26/boris-johnson-refuses-to-apologise-for-language-about-jo-cox?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
What deal? The one the ERG, the DUP and Johnson himself rejected? There is no other deal.
 

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I'm not defending anyone specifically and not denying inflammatory language has been used, all I'm saying is that I have seen and heard inflammatory language and behaviour on BOTH sides of the house. I found the behaviour of the government and the opposition benches unacceptable, as I have for the last 3 years. They are all a self serving rabble in my opinion that need sweeping out of Westminster. Extreme right capitalists on one side and Extreme left socialists on the other all shouting each other down with snide and unprofessional narrative.

And that's it, each side has its own narrative and that is what is driving this situation like the centre of the suns core. Constant fission. There should be proper cross party talks to get through this and it should be done in a professional and dignified way to put an end to this.

I've said before, the world can watch our parliament and I am deeply ashamed of both sides.
Two wrongs don’t make a right..
Why can’t you just admit that Boris Johnson’s behaviour is completely out of order and for a PM to use the language he did was utterly deplorable?
The guy is unfit to hold office and he should resign. The strategy being used by this government is incredibly dangerous and all the press should do the decent thing and not try to condone it, irrespective of your political persuasion or your thoughts on Brexit!
Go on, I dare you just do the right thing!!!
 

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Using such nonsensical language to try and shut down debate might work in your echo chamber, but it won't work where people have the ability to see for themselves.

I will repeat the question. Are you suggesting Brendan Cox is also talking "balderdash"?

You are suggesting that any
one who doesn't pin the blame 100% on the government is doing just that. Well, Mr Cox and several MPs say something very different.
When you start calling members of parliament turkeys it's not only balderdash but infantile and puerile.
 

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Two wrongs don’t make a right..
Agreed, easy.


Why can’t you just admit that Boris Johnson’s behaviour is completely out of order and for a PM to use the language he did was utterly deplorable?
I can, I think Boris Johnsons behaviour throughout his political career has been deplorable, but that is a claim I will lie at the feet of many MP's, Prime Minister or not. Easy matey.

The guy is unfit to hold office
Yes, he is but I will also level that accusation at Jeremy Corbyn.

and he should resign.
I don't agree with that fundamentally, yes he is being very aggressive but I also think the opposition sides are being very aggressive too. Sorry dude, just the way I'm seeing it.

The strategy being used by this government is incredibly dangerous and all the press should do the decent thing and not try to condone it, irrespective of your political persuasion or your thoughts on Brexit!
The strategy being used is a result of the strategies employed by those looking to scupper Brexit. It has come to this high stakes game because there has been no compromise between leave and remain voting MP's.

Go on, I dare you just do the right thing!!!
I do the right thing multiple times per day Rams.
 

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Might've been JRM on a recruitment drive.
 

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I'm not defending anyone specifically and not denying inflammatory language has been used, all I'm saying is that I have seen and heard inflammatory language and behaviour on BOTH sides of the house. I found the behaviour of the government and the opposition benches unacceptable, as I have for the last 3 years. They are all a self serving rabble in my opinion that need sweeping out of Westminster. Extreme right capitalists on one side and Extreme left socialists on the other all shouting each other down with snide and unprofessional narrative.

And that's it, each side has its own narrative and that is what is driving this situation like the centre of the suns core. Constant fission. There should be proper cross party talks to get through this and it should be done in a professional and dignified way to put an end to this.

I've said before, the world can watch our parliament and I am deeply ashamed of both sides.
Excellent post. The majority on all sides are behaving totally childishly. And these are the folk we elected to run the country. When they act and behave in such an adversarial manner how the heck can anyone complain when the electorate mimic their behaviour. We might certainly get the politicians we deserve but if anyone claims that these folk are more intelligent than the electorate they purport to represent then my firm belief is that they must be a sandwich short of a picnic.
 

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The Incredible Hulk will hide from next week's PMQs, and will be delivering a Conference speech instead, apparently.
 

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BJ's sister also taking issue (along with younger brother before). Don't hear her criticising 'both sides' either.

When asked who's behind her brother's behaviour: "It could be Cummings advising the PM to be extremely aggressive...it could be people who have invested billions in shorting the £ in the expectation of a no-deal Brexit."

I don't need to add any personal commentary.
That's what I hate about hedge funds. Not that they make money out of other peoples suffering but they are sometimes proactive in causing that suffering so that they can make money out of shorting the position.
 

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Jess Phillips says man arrested after trying to smash windows at her constituency office
The Labour MP Jess Phillips, who represents Birmingham Yardley, has revealed that a man has been arrested after trying to “kick the door” of her constituency office while reportedly shouting that she was a fascist. She told LBC Radio: I’ve only just heard about it myself but my staff had to be locked into my office while the man tried to smash the windows and kick the door, I believe. I don’t know what I can say because the man has been arrested.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ed-as-mps-tell-of-death-threats-politics-live


EDIT UPDATE: Man has been arrested and had loads of cannabis on him too :lol: :houllier:



also

 
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Might be the only thing that ends up uniting this country when all is said and done.
It could well be, I think people are getting genuinely sick of being ruled, manipulated and lied to by wealthy immoral shitbags who care about nothing other than their own profits.

What I do think should happen is educating our children from a very early age on politics and making future generations aware of the importance of voting and what they're voting for. I'm not sure if thats become the norm nowadays but back in the 90s Politics was a largely tabboo subject.

As for a reform, I do agree that it needs to happen. But the big problem is finding people from different backgrounds and industries willing to come forward to represent. But also finding a system that works and is fair for all poltiical minds. Career Politicians can feck off though.

For a start, there should be laws put in place to protect the general public from Politicans who spread consistent lies.
Education is definitely needed, the first things I would implement would be a rule stating anyone who wants to be a politician should be disqualified :lol:

Totally normal.

This is some real north korea/usa style indoctrination shit!