True. I assume there is a tipping point when people will stop allowing themselves to be moved on without resolution!
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It is an over generalisation to class all people with a second home as wealthy.
There was a thread on here a while ago where the topic of second homes was brought up quite a bit. Suffice to say that the loudest views on here were basically "feck anyone with a second home".
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The amount of fecking idiots replying to that tweet thinking it really is Maitlis is incredible.
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It is certainly no secret that the caf is very left-leaning. Personally I consider myself a slightly left leaning libertarian, and I would far rather vote Labour than Tory, and even for me this place can become a bit too much of a left-wing echo chamber at times.
Absolutely. I'm centre left, and a Labour voter, but this place has certainly become very extremist in its views with some posters quite forceful and abusive to any difference of opinion.
I don't find it extreme, in general and I'd say it's been drifting right for years. However, you may well consider me to be a rabid Bolshevik relative to yourself if we discussed politics.
Reality is in the last few years, the nature of politics has made people “entrenched” in their positions that if you sit in what was previously a sensible middle ground, you will get lambasted from both sides.
If the middle ground drifts in one direction you wake up one day finding yourself unexpectedly extreme left.
Interesting you feel it's drifted right. I mean I feel society has shifted to the right, especially when you look at the UK and Brexit and the UK and Trump. That said this forum has been left for some time and lately quite resistant to any discussion away from that mindset.
Very much agree with this. The tribalism and partisanship in politics has (in my view) increased dramatically over the past few years. It almost resembles football teams now, where people are less concerned with who is right and wrong, but more concerned with just winning and/or their "rivals" losing.
Whilst true, I still think that as far as the Caf goes, it is pretty heavily left leaning, even by "traditional" standards. Actually thinking about it, it may just be a very vocal minority of extreme left wingers who give that impression. I mind, since I often broadly agree with their views, but there is definitely a tendency on here to shut down debate and pile on against anyone who goes against the flow. Once or twice I have tried to point out elements of hypocrisy in heated discussions, and typically just get lumped in with the right-wingers or branded a "closet Tory" or some other nonsense.
Yeah I'd agree. It seems the centre ground died when the credibility of the Lib Dems did in the UK. It seems now you have to be one extreme or the other or else you get lambasted for having another view.
I think the shutting down of discussion and ganging up on others is a trait of those specific left wing posters you speak of. I know exactly who you refer to and they get away with bullying others out of threads quite regularly.
I think there is certainly truth to this and the drivers of that are interesting. I, however, find myself utterly aliented by the majority of the press and the general voting patterns of the UK which has shifted heavily to the right in my lifetime.
Not by standards I recognise and not even the current standards of my city. Of the UK as a whole, yes it probably is.
In regards to second homes there might be a particular generational discord given the oft-cited troubled relationship millennials have with the housing market. It has been predicted in the past that up to a third of millennials in the UK will never own their own home, which is the sort of long-term outlook that likely impacts their perspective on how "special" or not it is to have two homes and to what degree it is a symbol of privilege.
This is true and there is also an undeniably ghoulish element under the current situation from financially benefitting from the financial troubles of others.
next time can you just post you’re a relatively wealthy white man who inherited a fewproperties and we’d have a better understanding
I havent inherited them yet.
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oh dear. Maybe he was just testing his eyesight?Worsening*
I think the opposite. I think we are overly lenient on many things. It even takes many repeats of dangerous conspiracy theory whackjobbery to even get a thread ban here. You even have to be overtly racist and often it often takes doubling down to get points and to be fairly despicable to get a ban.
Getting a bit close to "I have a black friend so ..." type comment there.
I'd agree with all of this.
Thanks for the reply and sharing your opinion. Makes more sense to do that than warn me about the post with no explanation (as Grinner did). Don't get me wrong I think theres a tough job to be done in the CE forum but I do think it's a particular unwelcoming place for some posters who aren't in the 'clique' who live in there 24/7. Infact I pretty much know this to be the case from discussions with a number of other posters.
A typically ignorant comment then.
Having more than one house has little to do with privilege, especially if these are mortgaged.
Ive actually seen it quite a bit lately, the bullying and targeting i mean. Im actually not sure thats what id call it, baiting maybe?
It's quite alarming the amount of morons on social media that can't tell reality from fiction. It's why we have Trump, Boris, Brexit and why social media is such an important part of elections now. Doesn't matter if what is tweeted is true or not, it merely has to be seen to be effective.
No matter where people sit on the political spectrum thry will feel they get "lambasted" by the other- right, left or centre. It seems to me the entrenched postion of the so called centre often claims to be the "sensible" option. But criticises anyone who doesn't follow their position.
because it makes me think he knocked one out before going to bed.