It's awful really. It's early February and every league game from this point has nothing riding on it.
I can see plenty more losses since there's no motivation to win other than to solidify 7th place.
What will it take to sack moyes?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I can see plenty more losses since there's no motivation to win other than to solidify 7th place.
When I suggested we should try to "Chelsea" the CL, I wasn't expecting we'd give up on the league in January.
So Moyes has done this much damage in 6 months, changed a PL winning team into a relegation form side... I dont want to witness what he can do to us if he stays a year or more... He needs to be removed.
Doing a "Chelsea" would mean also finishing 5th.
6th I think it was.
I don't see the ardent belief from some that Premier League clubs should be encouraged to give British managers a chance. If the aren't capable than they don't deserve the chance, it's as simple as that.
Putting emphasis on developing young talent and specifically players of a sides country of origin is very important in my opinion and certainly far more important than giving coaches a chance. We've seen the ramifications of a team like Southampton appointing a foreign manager and that is having a more positive effect on Southampton's youth development than any time in their history.
We always hear about England as a footballing country aspiring to develop players to the extent that Brazil, Spain and Germany do. We don't have the quality of coaching in this country currently to implement modern coaching like that. Why not have foreign coaches and managers at the top of English football coach us the right way? It's certainly better for the future of English football.
You're right. That league season has been relegated to a hazy, dark part of my memory.
I think it's obvious, there is nothing Moyes can do to get the chop.
He's here for six years.
YOLO.
He's here for six years.
YOLO.
82 crosses into the box during the match, wow almost 1 a minute, and still only scored 2 goals. Obviously crosses are not working when you consider we need at least 40 of them to score. He has got to have alternative tactics. I hope .
Most likely, Moyes gets 3 seasons to make a case for himself. If he fails to win PL or CL, or a near miss, then I'd expect him to be sacked
Quite likely, at some stage, the share prices falls to an extent that the Glazers cannot stomach so they decide to over-ride Sir Alex's advice
Unlikely, enough key players (the younger ones) want out in the summer that the board decides it is more sensible to fire the manager
Quite likely, at some stage, the share prices falls to an extent that the Glazers cannot stomach so they decide to over-ride Sir Alex's advice
Unlikely, enough key players (the younger ones) want out in the summer that the board decides it is more sensible to fire the manager
At this rate, there is absolutely no chance he gets near that.
He hasn't been sacked yet; that should tell you something. The briefing from the club is about incoming transfers in the summer rather than Moyes needs to achieve x or y in order to keep his job. If they bring in several players from abroad then the board may well be prepared to give them (and Moyes) time to adapt.
At the moment, it looks to me as though the Glazers will assess Moyes once he has built his own team.
I was on the side to give him another season but now I just think we'd be better without him, he's shown no signs of improvement since our dismal pre season games
I cant see Moyes resigning anytime soon unless its for 'health' reasons. It would be a nail in the coffin for his post-United career. (7 months and he bottles it?)
Nah, we need divine intervention or he will be here for another year.
Nah, we need divine intervention or he will be here for another year.
A team that consist of better and even more prolific byeline crosses that is. (Maybe thats what he was talking about when he said that this team wasn't good enough.)
Another sack Moyes thread. Brilliant.
One of these threads seem to pop up after every match. Sadly shows how bad our current form is. Our season is basically over in the league, I don't think we will get 4th spot. So we might as well just focus on the champions league and hope for a whole lot of luck.
I can't see the glazers sacking Moyes during the season, that six year contract protects him from that to some degree and I don't see the glazers making a knee jerk sacking. Though I get the feeling if he doesn't get the team playing a different type of football by the end of the season then he will be gone. He needs to just cut his loses with the wide game and get the team playing to an actual system and style of play again. At the moment we simply look like a bunch of individuals out there. He has until the end of the season to turn it around I feel. If he hasn't, we should cut our loses and bring in someone new who has a clear style of play and give them to funds to rebuild the team how they want.
I can't see the glazers sacking Moyes during the season, that six year contract protects him from that to some degree and I don't see the glazers making a knee jerk sacking. Though I get the feeling if he doesn't get the team playing a different type of football by the end of the season then he will be gone. He needs to just cut his loses with the wide game and get the team playing to an actual system and style of play again. At the moment we simply look like a bunch of individuals out there. He has until the end of the season to turn it around I feel. If he hasn't, we should cut our loses and bring in someone new who has a clear style of play and give them to funds to rebuild the team how they want.
There must be some clause in his contract about making the top four. If he is to be sacked, it will be once we are officially out of race for fourth. So yeah, that's what it will take.
The only question is whether a different manager at the start would have had the team playing much better football and getting results. That we do not know.
I, though, don't think we'd be anywhere near 7th if someone with experience in managing a big club had taken charge in July.
I, though, don't think we'd be anywhere near 7th if someone with experience in managing a big club had taken charge in July.
No news yet. Must still be there.
If moyes somehow flukes the champions league will he suddenly become a hero / tactical master on here?
I certainly cant see him being sacked whilst still in the cl... afterall cl qualification and a major trophy would by any standards be considered a success and although our current form suggests it is improbable it is not yet impossible
I certainly cant see him being sacked whilst still in the cl... afterall cl qualification and a major trophy would by any standards be considered a success and although our current form suggests it is improbable it is not yet impossible
Do you consider Di Matteo a tactical master?
Yes, if...
But seriously, it's very obvious that the majority of these players don't give a toss about the league anymore this season. It's like the performances under Fergie after the league had been won or lost. The players might surprise us in Europe.
Yes, might...
No. Even if we won yesterday it would have still been a shit on a stick performance displaying David Moyes' complete tactical ineptitude.
Winning and playing such shit football simply papers over the cracks and causes everyone to just brush it under the carpet for another week.
Lose to Arsenal, keep this up and then get an arseraping from us at Old Trafford similar to what we dished out to Everton and Arsenal and I think he'll be gone.
Even Ferguson wouldn't want to endure that I think.
Even Ferguson wouldn't want to endure that I think.
Dont think anything will see him gone before the end of season. Specially since we're in the CL.
Summer's the earliest one can hope for.
I fear he will stay regardless of what happens for the remainder of the season. It's a joke but I can't see the club sacking him.
I support this logic.
I think it was a bit harsh to sack him... especially if you consider his record / league position against that of moyes
My opinion remains unchanged. 4th place or he's off.
He stood no chance given Abrahamovic's love for new managers. I do think he did a good job, yeah but its unlikely he'd have made it long term.
This, pretty much. We can start the groundwork for appointing a new manager in the summer if we just sack him now and let a caretaker (it really doesn't matter who he is at this stage) finish the season. Waiting until the summer could backfire - unless we go behind the manager's back to line up someone. But if we do that it's pointless to keep him around anyway.
Whose decision is it anyway? And don't tell me 'the board', I mean specifically. Is it Malcolm? Joel? Fergie? Charlton? If it is the latter two then there is no chance.
Malcolm is sick and I can't see Fergie/Charlton doing anything regarding that if only to prove a point. Malcolm's sons on the other hand will likely evaluate things on the summer.
are saf and charlton on the board of directors... (not according to our website http://ir.manutd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=133303&p=irol-govboard )
Board of Directors
Avram Glazer
Executive Co-Chairman and Director
Joel Glazer
Executive Co-Chairman and Director
Edward Woodward
Executive Vice Chairman and Director
Richard Arnold
Group Managing Director and Director
Michael Bolingbroke
Chief Operating Officer and Director
Kevin Glazer
Director
Bryan Glazer
Director
Darcie Glazer
Director
Edward Glazer
Director
Robert Leitão
Director
Man Utd Sawhney
Director
John Hooks
Director
I imagine he would be here at least till December 2014. If we are still not doing well enough I think he will get the boot.
id be up for giving laudrup a chance at this point as caretaker. See what he can do and then see whats available in the summer
Ah, thanks. At least the decision isn't Fergie/Charlton's. Although I'm sure they would have a say anyway.are saf and charlton on the board of directors... (not according to our website http://ir.manutd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=133303&p=irol-govboard )
Board of Directors
Avram Glazer
Executive Co-Chairman and Director
Joel Glazer
Executive Co-Chairman and Director
Edward Woodward
Executive Vice Chairman and Director
Richard Arnold
Group Managing Director and Director
Michael Bolingbroke
Chief Operating Officer and Director
Kevin Glazer
Director
Bryan Glazer
Director
Darcie Glazer
Director
Edward Glazer
Director
Robert Leitão
Director
Man Utd Sawhney
Director
John Hooks
Director
Laudrup, seriously?
Not like there's many managers available. Most importantly he'd actually change our set-up, that's all i want to see. He's not a long term solution but our next manager definitely a strong philosophy