Who replaces Ten Hag?

[Stobzilla]

One "out there" candidate who is known for just being a brilliant coach and implementing an attractive, dominating style is Wilfried Nancy at Columbus Crew. He was doing a great job at Montreal Impact as well but had a falling out with an exec after a shock loss. He offered to resign straight away but the players respected him that much that they convinced him to stay. On the face of it he has the technical coaching ability as well as the social competence to be able to succeed at a high level.

Give us a proper hipster choice Jimbo !

 

[Skills]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/05/21/mauricio-pochettinos-chelsea-exit-todd-boehly/

For all the talk of structure here for the last year, he seems like the wrong type of person to bring in that scenario. Comes across as a massive pain in the arse to work with from that article.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

Yep. Managers in or coming out of their first job is how I would picture it.

I think in the context of Utd, up and coming means a manager with more of a track record. I don't think there's much chance we'd appoint someone who's only had one job.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

ETH over Poch was the right hire at the time. ETH looked like he had the potential to achieve more than Poch. That it's not worked out is a shame, but I am still glad that we made the choice to see what ETH can do.

I agree.

 

[Lash]

For those saying we should keep ETH because there are no obvious candidate available. Chelsea just sacked their manager who finish above us playing much better football with non support from the Chelsea football structure which is in a mess and need to integrate lots of random new players signings.

Poch has done very well all things considered yet he is sacked.

Who cares what Chelsea do? They're managed horrifically and if anything it's more of a reason to not to sack Ten Hag.

 

[Judas]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/05/21/mauricio-pochettinos-chelsea-exit-todd-boehly/

For all the talk of structure here for the last year, he seems like the wrong type of person to bring in that scenario. Comes across as a massive pain in the arse to work with from that article.

Dull and a whingebag behind the scenes? No thanks. Hopefully he's Bayern bound.

 

[stefan92]

Dull and a whingebag behind the scenes? No thanks. Hopefully he's Bayern bound.

For some reason I just don't see Bayern targeting him. Just oozes too much of a losers mentality, there are random second league managers who appear more driven to win stuff than him.

 

[Rajma]

If we decide to stay with ETH or hire any of the Poch, Southgate and Potter then might as well write another season off completely.

 

[Westerkerk]

It's really puzzling to think about where the club goes from here. We're in limbo until after the cup final. That's not to say the result will (or should) affect any internal decisions that have (or should have been) already decided. The club should know by now whether it intends to stick or twist.

There are multiple managers who are or will likely be available - no manager in world football right now is guaranteed success at this football club just by being a good fit or a top manager with proven success.

I could forgive ETH a poor season due to luck and injuries, but the problem with him lies deeper than that, and though the club is at fault over the longer term, I don't think he has helped one iota.

Out of all the candidates I'd either go for Tuchel or McKenna

Tuchel is proven in the league and has shown he can win trophies. McKenna is a huge risk, but it would be an interesting one to watch.

Really there is no outstanding candidate I'd have absolute faith in.

 

[Wilt]

Would take Tuchel over Poch. Tuchel being by far the more successful.

Chelsea end of season success was almost solely down to Palmer, without whom Chelsea would most likely have finished bottom half.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Who cares what Chelsea do? They're managed horrifically and if anything it's more of a reason to not to sack Ten Hag.

Managed horribly? Meanwhile they finish better than us, play much better football than us, in the right up trajectory. Complete opposite of us.

 

[Lash]

Managed horribly? Meanwhile they finish better than us, play much better football than us, in the right up trajectory. Complete opposite of us.

Correct. 3 points ahead of us in our worst season ever, apologies if I'm not in awe. They've just sacked the manager that got them playing better, so not sure how that's an upward trajectory.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Correct. 3 points ahead of us in our worst season ever, apologies if I'm not in awe. They've just sacked the manager that got them playing better, so not sure how that's an upward trajectory.

Ok so our worst season ever and we should keep our manager. It simply means they have higher ambition. Good football and 6th are not sufficient for Poch to save his job.

Meanwhile, we are 8th and play shit on the stick football but we keep the manager.

We have to agree to disagree then.

 

[Lash]

Ok so our worst season ever and we should keep our manager. It simply means they have higher ambition. Good football and 6th are not sufficient for Poch to save his job.

Meanwhile, we are 8th and play shit on the stick football but we keep the manager.

We have to agree to disagree then.

I have said I would replace Ten Hag with someone obviously superior, i.e Tuchel. Just sacking him makes no sense with no outstanding candidates. Well it doesn't, as he wasn't sacked for his performance, it ended up being mutual as he wanted more control.

Chelsea are just a rubbish example to try and hold up as way of doing things.

 

[DJ_21]

Here we go again with this caf obsession of trophy winning history. When will you learn that trophy winning history has zero bearing on what the future will look like? We hired two manager with a history littered with trophies and both proved to be disasters. "Trophy winner" Erik Ten Hag has just delivered the worst season in club PL history. Our best manager in the post-Fergie era is the one who had the least track record of winning major trophies and yet all anyone on here cares about is TrOphIES. Wake up and smell the coffee. We are a mediocre mid-table PL team. Worry about putting out a coherent football team first before getting to trophies.

Pochettino is far and away the best manager available with a consistent track record of outperformance with the squads he's been given. He is the only sensible choice.

Stop talking nonsense. If we’re going on about style of play then De Zerbi is better than pochettino and did wonders with Brighton to get them into the Europa league with a 6th place finish. And what do players and teams play for and compete for… ‘trophies’ hence the reason Mourinho doesn’t care about people calling his football rubbish because he can back it up with trophies at every team he’s managed for… anyone who thinks you don’t play football for trophies needs a reality check.

 

[stefan92]

Here we go again with this caf obsession of trophy winning history. When will you learn that trophy winning history has zero bearing on what the future will look like? We hired two manager with a history littered with trophies and both proved to be disasters. "Trophy winner" Erik Ten Hag has just delivered the worst season in club PL history. Our best manager in the post-Fergie era is the one who had the least track record of winning major trophies and yet all anyone on here cares about is TrOphIES.

Hm... the best and most successful post-SAF manager United had still is Mourinho. Last time I checked he actually also had won the MOST big trophies of all post-SAF managers before being hired by United.

I also would never think of EtH as a "proven trophy winner". All he had won was while being a flat track bully in the Dutch league (yes I know Ajax hadn't won it the seasons before him, but he joined when they had finished their squad rebuild and had a squad again that fit their financial superiority there) and a fourth division title in Germany (and following that a failure in the promotion playoffs). Besides that he had some nice to look at CL runs which all failed in a pretty underwhelming way.

 

[Giggsy13]

Tuchel would be an awful choice. Since his time at Mainz where he was there for 5 seasons, his tenure at each club has gone down to the point he was only at Bayern for one season. He is like Mourinho but with less chance of winning a major trophy.

 

[Wilt]

Tuchel would be an awful choice. Since his time at Mainz where he was there for 5 seasons, his tenure at each club has gone down to the point he was only at Bayern for one season. He is like Mourinho but with less chance of winning a major trophy.

Unsure what you consider a major trophy?

Tuchel has won 10 club trophies ….which realistically available manager has won more?

 

[mintyred]

Unsure what you consider a major trophy?

Tuchel has won 10 club trophies ….which realistically available manager has won more?

He’s a much better cup manager than league manager. If cups are all we want we may as well stick with what we have.

 

[Giggsy13]

Unsure what you consider a major trophy?

Tuchel has won 10 club trophies ….which realistically available manager has won more?

If we’re ultimately thinking long term and challenging for the league in 3 to 4 years then Tuchel is definitely not the right choice. The scatter gun and short term approach adopted by the previous regime is over and INEOS will want a manager that can work within the football structure. None of that points to Tuchel.

 

[Wilt]

If we’re ultimately thinking long term and challenging for the league in 3 to 4 years then Tuchel is definitely not the right choice. The scatter gun and short term approach adopted by the previous regime is over and INEOS will want a manager that can work within the football structure. None of that points to Tuchel.

Have to ask who then ? ….personally can’t think of any available manager who could survive 3-4 years at this club.
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[El Jefe]

I was against Pochettino when the conversation was him vs EtH back in 2022. Fast forward to today and my perspective on managers for us has changed a bit.

I like many other fans had belief that ETH would get us winning trophies again playing great football. I didn’t have confidence that Poch could win us trophies.

Looking at us now, we don’t need “The One”, we just need a manager that gets us closer to where we want to end up and Poch can 100% do that and I certainly have more faith in him than I do in EtH today. We finished 8th ffs we just need to establish ourselves as top 4 locks again before making a push for the title.

 

[Redstain]

The benefit with Poch and im sure Chelsea fans can give an opinion is that the team got bad results despite putting in good performances? For me that's the hallmarks of developing progression.

What a team carries from season to season is the consistency of performance. That's why Newcastle in my view are the most likely to challenge next year outside of Arsenal and City, the metrics measuring their performances are favorable to build sustainability with.

I think Erik is absolutely done, not on merit of results but it's a season away from 36 months in charge and I can barely count on one hand how many times United have played well consistently for two halves.

 

[stefan92]

We finished 8th ffs we just need to establish ourselves as top 4 locks again before making a push for the title.

Leverkusen finished 6th before playing the second best season (in regard to points) and first unbeaten season in the history of the league. When it clicks, you don't have to spend years "establishing yourselves"

 

[Cassidy]

Leverkusen finished 6th before playing the second best season (in regard to points) and first unbeaten season in the history of the league. When it clicks, you don't have to spend years "establishing yourselves"

Agree, we need serious squad investment though so I think we likely will need to establish ourselves

 

[dinostar77]

If we went with tuchel or poch, we would need to upgrade the midfield. Both managers are know for their high pressing philosophy and we don't have the players for that.

Poch's double training sessions should get players very fit.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

If we went with tuchel or poch, we would need to upgrade the midfield. Both managers are know for their high pressing philosophy and we don't have the players for that.

Poch's double training sessions should get players very fit.

Oh dear, double training sessions. The players will need to go back in dark. There will also be surely have more injuries or fake injuries?

 

[NoPace]

I'd take McKenna. Knows the club and has taken Ipwsich to premier league promotion following up promotion to the championship the season before. He's used to doing a lot with a little now. Another thing is he plays 4-2-3-1 himself so will know the changes needed to get ours to work.

He's obviously a less fancy option but hes also very young and if can get us on the right track he could be manager for a long period.

We're probably a better job than Brighton, because we're at the bottom of our mini-division right now (Spurs, Villa, Chelsea, Newcastle, maybe Liverpool post-Klopp and West Ham if they get their hire right) and Brighton are near the top of theirs.

 

[Lee565]

If we are focused on building with a young side and moving on older players and still want a heavy focus on promoting youth whilst developing a clear playing style then de zerbi, mckenna and potchettino would be front runners, we aren't going to challenge next season thanks to ten hag taking us nowhere forward from when he joined so we would be better focusing on just becoming a better coached side looking top 4 football

 

[r0663664]

United needs to be a big team with a mentality of operating like a small team. Stop giving out massive contract when players show a little bit of promise. Stop buying big name players who are left with 2-3 years top. Stop paying odds over young players who aren't even established for high fee.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Pochettino is the new bookies favourite

Might be worth a Pochettino thread on the United forum after the Cup Final if Erik leaves and things gain momentum.

 

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[chris123]

Pochettino is the new bookies favourite

Might be worth a Pochettino thread on the United forum after the Cup Final if Erik leaves and things gain momentum.

Just looking at the odds, the bookies clearly think:

Poch - United
De Zerbi - Chelsea
McKenna - Brighton

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Just looking at the odds, the bookies clearly think:

Poch - United
De Zerbi - Chelsea
McKenna - Brighton

Chelsea are the big losers there IMO

 

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Shocking - if true.

 

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[OsloRed]

Chelsea are the big losers there IMO

I think I'd rather have De Zerbi than Poch, actually. I like the way his sides play. I did enjoy watching Spurs under Poch as well, though, so what do I know.
A question I've been thinking about is who does our squad suit best at the moment? I could see arguments for both.

 

[pcaming]

I think I'd rather have De Zerbi than Poch, actually. I like the way his sides play. I did enjoy watching Spurs under Poch as well, though, so what do I know.
A question I've been thinking about is who does our squad suit best at the moment? I could see arguments for both.

The squad at present is definitely more suited to Poch, although even under him we would be short on suitable players. DeZerbi would require an actual overhaul, as these players have proven they're unwilling to adapt, and under him changes would be major. (same with Mckenna)

 

[redmanx]

If Pep managed Spurs you would be saying the same thing about him

I doubt that; Guardiola has won trophies consistently at every club he has managed, including the Barcelona B team. Of course the clubs he has managed, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and City, all had plenty of money to spend, but, as we've seen at United these last 10 years or so, having plenty of money means nothing unless its spent wisely on players who are suitable. Sir Alex did this throughout his managerial career, and Pep is the same. Pochettino had bags of money at PSG and Chelsea are not exactly paupers, but he couldnt even buy consistent performances let alone success. Poch is a show pony.

 

[OsloRed]

The squad at present is definitely more suited to Poch, although even under him we would be short on suitable players. DeZerbi would require an actual overhaul, as these players have proven they're unwilling to adapt, and under him changes would be major. (same with Mckenna)

I think there is a mix there where some are suitable for Poch, some for De Zerbi and some for both - but you might be right. De Zerbi made Lewis Dunk a ballplaying defender, so he could surely do something with our lot. Some sort of overhaul is coming this summer either way.

I'd be absolutely gutted if McKenna went to Chelsea, however. I'd rather take the risk on him here than seeing him join that doomed project.