Alonso should get a look.
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
A progressive manager that many people will turn on again just like ten Hag.
He'd never manage us
First we need to hire a DoF. They'll need to already have a vision on how to fix the team. It's the only way we would be able to convince any half decent manager to join us.
Then I'd go all in to try to lure Xabi Alonso. He probably won't leave mid-season so we could bring in a caretaker until the end of season or let ten Hag run his course.
Then I'd go all in to try to lure Xabi Alonso. He probably won't leave mid-season so we could bring in a caretaker until the end of season or let ten Hag run his course.
Bielsa. I've lost hope of actually catching City. Might as well have some fun for once. The cherry on the cake will be murder ball training. Plus we will finally have a style of play and he doesn't change it for anyone.
15 goals conceded in the UCL. Southgate could do a better job.
The myth that never dies. Prime Fergie took between 1986-1990 to fix the mess we have literally just reborn, with fans calling for his head two years in. Didnt win the league till 8 years in. Most of y'all wouldn't have the patience for a prime Fergie neither.
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Rather it's others who don't understand that what Fergie could do with his 20+ years of experience with assistance from the know how of guys like Kenyon or Gill cannot be done any longer. Thats why even Pep relies on the likes of Txiki above him to be a success at Barca, at a Bayern and now at City.
Fergie alone was a walking D.O.F and head coach rolled into one. With the club CEO's merely helping with the financial side of things and formalizing negotiations. No manager alive below 60 has the ability to do anything close.
Till United appoint the right people to run those things above the manager, they will be stuck on this two year boom burst cycle round about.
I've always said it. Not the biggest and main issue for sure.
You don’t have a clue if you’re comparing the job Fergie did early on, to Ten Hag’s job at a multibillion pound football club.
Fergie took the club to a level of profitability and success that his successors like this bald Dutch clown could afford to splash 100M on a half wit Brazilian never been.
Fail to see why his name keeps getting thrown around, didn't he say this is his last club job?
A bit like Zidane. Apparently he has already turned us down once, but now we are such a much more attractive proposition he might this time say yes..
How does ANY of that have ANY relevance to what I posted? You are the type who would be declaring prime Fergie a clown if he was the one trying to clean up this mess. The exact same mess he cleaned up in real life between 1986-1992. 7-8 years
Rather you are the one who is incredibly clueless If you STILL haven't understood yet the Glazers have squandered all the work Fergie did and returned us to a richer version of what he started with, a multi billion entity saddled with a hamstringing debt. With the self same disogranized football structure he took 8 years cleaning up and the self same arguably twice as impatient fans.
Now wonder you think this is some kinda lame comparison of ETH and Fergie. Rather than pointing out how effing impossible the job is becoming due to utter lack of structure the Fergie's experience provided.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. We’ve spent 400 million since Ten Hag signed stop making excuses for him. He’s got to prove he’s good enough for us not the other way around.
That's a very ignorant comparison when you consider the status and position of the club commercially then and now. Also by comparison how many managers in the history of football have eclipsed Sir Alex? if the argument is that time compounded with a managerial position is the guarantee of success why aren't other top clubs giving their managers 6 or so years to determine their influence. You have to contextualise the difference between the rule and the exception.
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Talk of a rather offside take on this matter. You are yet another failing to understand United is back in the self same hole Fergie climbed and rebuilt it out of! Because you are blinded by the current size and wealth the club has rather than its actual circumstances. Utterly ignoring its wealth now being severely hamstrung by debt, having a creaking, outdated stadium and facilities behind most top clubs by a decade, zero good leadership at board room level and utter chaos in its footballing structure
I swear! Some of you don't actually bother to comprehend what you reply to. I just pointed out to you how it took prime Fergie, 8 seasons to build the succesfull behemoth that "The Glazer era" has squandered, a hole they have returned us to, when he retired, and YET it registers in your brain that I'm saying "Fergie can be matched" let alone "surpasssed." Like seriously?
It isn't. The argument is United need to first rebuild the entire footballing structure that was found in one man, merely aided by a CEO, before ANY manager will be able to bring back even a little of the consistent success that one man was able to install. Especially in this era of overly impatient fans.
Rather than this repeated pipe dream of finding a man who can be exactly like Fergie in this era. As if we are looking for that one youth to pull Exacalibur from its home in stone....
Come off this bollocks. We as a club have spent close 1.5 billion pounds since SAF retired. If by now you have failed to see a pattern of why managers keep failing, and delude yourself into believing "people are merely making excuses for them", you will keep holding on to the pipe dream that we are one mangerial appointment from success.
I said Bielsa when people wanted Ole out. He would be great fun. There’s no way he makes any significant difference to our prospects for competing with good football teams but who gives a shit at this point.
I have seen a pattern to why managers keep failing. The managers haven't been good enough
Get a director of football in feck this let’s sack every manager.
Keep hoping for the next Fergie then. Because even Pep and Klopp would drown in our current set up because they ain't Fergie neither
It's easy to try and prove a point by saying something that can't be proven wrong. We're never going to hire Pep or Klopp. But given the situation Liverpool were in, where they hadn't won a title in decades, and they hated their owners, I'd be willing to bet Klopp would do a damn sight better than Ten Hag
So a manager who's won multiple European trophies, multiple league titles in multiple countries, including England, isn't good enough to manage the Man Utd
You are aware that sometimes coaches get burned out and/ or their methods can get outdated if they fail to progress with the game?
He wasn't good enough to manage Tottenham afterwards either in fairness, the Jose Mourinho and Louis Van Gaal we got were not them at their peak in fairness albeit they still might have been better than the options being discussed currently in terms of the likes of Potter and Lopetegui.
If you're talking about Mourinho, then no, he wasn't good enough. He was in sabotage mode by the end and doing everything he could to get fired.
Rather its easier to pretend that you don't know both Klopp and Guariola have been sucessfull strictly in set ups with competent board rooms, a qualified director of football plus an excellent recruitment structure. Even though Pep Guardiola himself for example has said it time and again. Y'all would rather pretend its merely "saying something that can't be proven wrong" when we say the utter lack of such structures at United would kill any hopes of their success too. If the had been unfortunate enough to accept our attempts to recruit them.
Of course you would. Because you gladly ignore what enabled Klopp to end Liverpool's years of hurt. The concept is clearly utterly alien to you. You are another who laughablly believes a manager will magically sort out this mess the Glazers have put United in.
After all We have the same fan base that had themselves convinced McKenna and Carrick were "incompetent hacks" as coaches and "tactical Buffoons "whilst on United's back room staff. Yet their impact on their current jobs is there for all to see.
Frankly The Glazer's & Sir Ratcliffe can hire y'all De zerbi, Xabi Alonso or Nagelsmann without improving the current footballing structure. Then right on queue in 1.5 seasons when it starts going inevitably down hill you will be on here trying to convince us they were never good enough, are frauds and the next guy will do better....
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Thats the funniest thing in all this tbh.
Truth
Some of them actually believe Klopp turned around Liverpool instantly. Or that he alone was responsible for their upturn in fortunes.
And saying Klopp or Pep would succeed here. They wouldn't last 3 years, probably not even 2 of the fanbase got it's way. They'd be calling for Klopps head before the end of the first season of he took us to 8th, which would have represented our lowest finish in over 30 years. There'd still be regular posts about how they've got PTSD from his time here and slightly concerning bursts of anger towards him whenever he was mentioned.
100% correct
I'd take Alonso. Was a top player and also played under management greats like Jose, Pep and Ancelotti.
His rise at Leverkusen won't last long because he'll be snatched by a big club this summer.
He could bring Tapsoba and Frimpong with him which solves our new CB and RB issue in one go.
His rise at Leverkusen won't last long because he'll be snatched by a big club this summer.
He could bring Tapsoba and Frimpong with him which solves our new CB and RB issue in one go.
Is Ten Hag one of the best in the world, is he as good as Guardiola or Klopp?
Did Klopp ever finish 8th in a full season?
They could at least coach a decent press or not lose 7-0 to rivals like twice a season for starters.
It can not be done because there is no other SAF. Not the SAF can't do it himself. Two completely different things.
And this mess is not about winning PL or CL with this lot. This mess is keeping an acceptable level as in CL place for short term and if the manager is any good, creating an identity for a long run. If this level is acceptable, we shouldn't have sacked LvG, Mourinho, Ole because their failure was not worse than this: kicked out of Europe completely while struggling at the same time in the league. Even Moyes was doing better at this stage before it turned for the worse after the new year.
Moyes on a lower level still does his own manager thing running the whole thing, even traveling on scouting trip. He's not out of job in a supposed improved modern PL. You think a young SAF can't adapt to modern PL?
Txiki didn't come to Bayern. Txiki was there when Pellegrini barely did better than soon to be sacked LVG. What it means is that even with the right people above managers, it always brings best managers in, nor it stops manager sacking cycle until the manager appointment is right now itself. Similarly that can be said about Michael Edward at Liverpool, he was there under Dalglish and Rodgers.
The question is on what evidence ETH is the right man for the job even those? Do you see the trend that successful managers choose to come join project with already good people to support in place? And those who are desperate for poison chalice type of job have no defense for trying and failing to be the new SAF?
This mess is nowhere as bad as what SAF inherited back in the day. You think Man City is dominant now? Liverpool was much more dominant back then without Bosman ruling to cheat the FFP. 26 years without English Championship title, bottom half finishes and a relegation were not worse than worst finish of finishing in 7th place under Moyes?
English clubs got banned in Europe. Bosman ruling was unforeseeable future at the time. Why would good players want to join Man United of that time when there were other clubs and better leagues paying better money? Surely they don't want to risk in a dysfunctional team with rotten culture and no way out (Bosman ruling)?! You couldn't use money to shorten the rebuild. It's silly to think teams can't be built quicker in this ages with influential figure with great eye for talents and management skill, when literally PL teams according to their financial power, has been building teams very quickly using modern PL attraction and financial prowess.
Evidently it doesn't take great managers just to stay afloat with us. Ole didn't do great, but he did enough to be better in his first two full seasons than this season mess. And that includes dropping down from CL to EL to make EL final.
Back with the same question: how do you know ETH is the right manager?
Not remotely the point. You are amongst the ones who repeatedly keep pretending anyone has said Fergie can't do it himself. Which is the problem.
As if. The only manager on the list who didn't truly struggle by the time he was sacked and hounded out by our unhappy fan was LVG. Both Mourinho and Solksjaer after a solid start all ended up struggling like ETH is doing now and were inevitably sacked.
This is literally ground hog day. Yet another manager is about to be sacked for struggling badly after intial hope and intital progress. The same excuse of 'failing to compete" is being trotted out. "let's high another progressive manager, he will sort it out". Without a care fof what truly is wrong at the club.
Talk of straight up lying. Moyes NEVER lasted even a season and won nothing. There is no point at which "he did better at this stage" because he never came near it!
At what point did I tell you Fergie can't cut it in this era as a manager? I'd love to know?
its rather apparent you neither read nor comprehend what you reply to. Its sad
Not remotely the point. Bayern had the exact organized football structure Barca had. The same Txixi helped install at Manchester City to eventually attract Pep. A competent board with a proper DOF and recruitment structure.
The likes of you in comparison want us to merely keep replacing the manager without sorting out the structure. No wonder you think this being pointed out to you supposedly equals defending ETH or thinking he is right for the job. Or Worse thinking SAF couldn't cut it in this era
Thats the problem with wrong priorities. Thats why you imagine it worse that Liverpool a big club were the sole dominant party then and United were in the doldrums till SAF came along. Than United squandering the legacy of the greatest manager in history, allowing Liverpool who hadn't won a title since 1990 catch up and over take, Man City with no history to do the same and replace United as the dorminant force, the likes of Newcastle and revived Villa showing signs of over taking us too. Alongside squandering over a billion pounds on players, falling into a crippling debt, whilst taking United from top in facilities, recruitment and best practice to a decade behind almost every rival in Europe and domestically. Hands down the current crime is far worse.
Especially because no one alive can replicate what Fergie did save for Fergie himself and we are not clonning him.
Thus no one is going to convince me merely replacing ETH is going to change a thing! We have no unified footballing direction as a club, no football structure that create the right platform, nor recruit the right people for one and a directionless board, more interested in their pockets than the club success.
I want the structure sorted first. If we put a proffecient one in place and they THEN deem ETH unfit. So be it. I saw enough enough last season to know he isn't the problem. All this talk of he is supposedly worse than Moyes is typical of the folly pervasive in our fan ranks. Who swing from rubbishing McKenna and Carrick as back room staff to now praising their work as coaches. Rather than ANY proof we have hired yet another alleged managerial fraud.
A host of our fans are so pigheaded and foolish they'd call for Prime Fergie's head when he dropped from 2nd to 13th in his second full year, if he were in charge now. Simply because they can't see the forrest from the trees. ( and NO this does NOT mean I"m declaring ETH is the new Fergie)
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He is defintetly amongst the best coaches in the world. I don't see why being "as good as Klopp or Guardiola" is of any relevance. Arteta and Emery are currently giving both a run for their money in the league without being any where close in ability.
Yea still remember Mark Robbins’ goal!