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Get a DOF in, sort out that side of the club. Get rid of the primadonnas in the squad and the deadweight.
Then any manager stands a better chance.
Wont suprise me if its potter.
If you're talking about Mourinho, then no, he wasn't good enough. He was in sabotage mode by the end and doing everything he could to get fired.
The myth that never dies. Prime Fergie took between 1986-1990 to fix the mess we have literally just reborn, with fans calling for his head two years in. Didnt win the league till 8 years in. Most of y'all wouldn't have the patience for a prime Fergie neither.
I'd like McKenna name to be in the hat, I think he'd do a very good job.Get a DOF in, sort out that side of the club. Get rid of the primadonnas in the squad and the deadweight.
Then any manager stands a better chance.
Wont suprise me if its potter.
Exavctly! Yet it took him 8 years! Whilst we have fans in here desiring lesser mortals to deliver the same in 1 season flat...no downsFergie was not some green horn either. He had broken the duopoly in the Scottish league and won a European trophy by defeating Real Madrid in the final. He had real credentials when he came to Man Utd.
Agreed. I even dont mind replacing him If and ONLY if we fix the structure above him first!Having said that, I don’t mind ETH staying, if only to instill discipline and get rid of the prima donna elements in the squad.
I want the structure sorted first. If we put a proffecient one in place and they THEN deem ETH unfit. So be it. I saw enough enough last season to know he isn't the problem. All this talk of he is supposedly worse than Moyes is typical of the folly pervasive in our fan ranks. Who swing from rubbishing McKenna and Carrick as back room staff to now praising their work as coaches. Rather than ANY proof we have hired yet another alleged managerial fraud.
You think Ten Hag is one of the best in the world at his job? He’s not nearly proven enough for those shouts, Emery has shown more in his career than Ten Hag.He is defintetly amongst the best coaches in the world. I don't see why being "as good as Klopp or Guardiola" is of any relevance. Arteta and Emery are currently giving both a run for their money in the league without being any where close in ability.
Yes I doYou think Ten Hag is one of the best in the world at his job?
not for me.He’s not nearly proven enough for those shouts, Emery has shown more in his career than Ten Hag.
It doesn’t matter if you don’t think so, Emery has won four Europa Leagues, multiple trophies at PSG, took Villarreal to the Champions League semi final beating Bayern and Juve. Ten Hag has had success in Holland and a singular strong European campaign.Yes I do
not for me.
You asking his opinion and then responding back saying- doesn't matter what you think.It doesn’t matter if you don’t think so, Emery has won four Europa Leagues, multiple trophies at PSG, took Villarreal to the Champions League semi final beating Bayern and Juve. Ten Hag has had success in Holland and a singular strong European campaign.
If you don't know what has changed there is no point in us having this discussion.Ok so what has changed between this season and last?
For the same reasons it happened to Mourinho a far better manager than him. Then Solksjaer who is below both. For the same reasons Moyes got swallowed after Gills and SAF left. For the same reasons LVG was sacked at the firs sign of progress just because City had hired Pep.Why was Ten Hag able to be moderately successful last season under such a horrific structure yet this season it’s falling apart?
Now see this rubbish....Can you also explain why Ten Hag rejected leaving responsibility for squad building to those above him and instead chose to sign players from Holland and those who share the same agent?
WRONG! I get to say it because he has had nothing to do with United not hiring a proffecient DOF and installing a world class recruitment structure above the manager in the 8 -9 seasons since SAF retired.You don’t get to say “I won’t judge Eth until it’s the right structure” when he himself is partly responsible for the current structure being in place of allowing a manager the overall say in squad building.
Right. I should be 'understanding" that our fans support the manager in good times only. Got you!......You must understand that most United fans on here would not be complaining if the team maintained last seasons performance.
Rather it's fans like your self who think Manchester United is "so special" that it can short cut success and ignore all that is required to attain it in this era by simply hiring and firing managers. Ad naseum......Is this simply not just the way it is for the modern day manager? You last 2-3 seasons. Why do Manchester United fans like yourself think the club is so special that you see run of the mill managerial changes as such dramatic/club altering things?
Is this a serious question? Is Moyes still our manager? Is LVG? Is Mourinho? Is Ole? Why have we changed footballing direction 4 times since SAF retiref? Have we won the league in those seasons or come close? Have we reached the late stage of the UCL in that period? For you to claim with a straight face that the poor structure didn't cause disarrayWhy is it that this horrific structure you keep talking about, didn’t seem to cause such disarray in six of the last nine seasons?
What part of your OWN words are you unable to understand point to the poor structure the likes of me talk about? I mean seriously?In my opinion the Glazers mistakes are giving average/past it managers too much responsibility and repeatedly hiring average managers in the first place. And i think managers go into Manchester United knowing they’ll be given a lot of power.
The Glazers are not going anywhere, it’s simple.
Bullshit. We just hired one. With the rubbish structure and work environment they have fostered falling him handsomely whilst jokers like you pretend he has suddenly became past it and ancient in his coaching methods. Less than 2 seasons into the job....We can’t change them so the only way for us to become successful is to hire an appropriate coach. One who has proven he can implement a modern, proactive and progressive style in a top league
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So many wanted Ten Hag based on one CL run. They got what they wanted and he’s ultimately failed. He’s failed to implement a modern progressive style and he’s blown his budget on crap. Why are these people doubling down instead of just going “ok we were wrong, let’s move on”?
You wish. Its rather because of some of us are not prone to the knee jerk disease and short termism a lot of our fan base is inflicted with. That makes them constantly incapable of seeing the big picture. The likes of me warned y'all this EXACTLY would happen the idiot Glazers decided to 'keep up with the Jones" and fire LVG to hire Mourinho just because City had finally recruited Pep. We have been saying the same things through each failed manager reign. You lot have NEVER listened. Yet when things fall apart as we predicted you instead want us to 'admit we are wrong". Yet y'all have NEVER been right once!Because for so many fans like yourself it’s about wanting to be right or sticking to a narrative.
i just find it baffling that some United fans have basically done a full swing. Last season Ten Hag was this great manager who’d performed a miracle. In the summer he was literally backed with 200 million to bring in his own players. He’s now completely stinking the place up and suddenly it’s “club structure” “glazers” “no manager can be expected to succeed”. Like why the extremes? This is such a flawed narrative. If you want to endlessly slag off the Glazers and suggest it’s impossible to be a succes here under them. Then I’m sorry you don’t get to label a manager finishing 3rd and winning a league cup as a massive success story.
Thats the kind of unseriousness we are dealing with in here.You asking his opinion and then responding back saying- doesn't matter what you think.
Please could you point to where I ask for Red Indian’s opinion on whether Emery is more proven than Ten Hag.You asking his opinion and then responding back saying- doesn't matter what you think.
Emery has ONLY been truly succesful at mid level clubs like Sevilla, Villareal and Aston Villa. When he stepped up to clubs of the size of Ajax like PSG or Arsenal he was poor. At PSG for example he got beaten to a league title by an AS Monaco with half his resources and led by a teenager in Mbappe, with inferior coavhes to him yet he should have been utterly dominant. Not forgetting losing a comfortable winning position to Barca in the UCL. At Arsenal he didnt survive long neither and won nothing.It doesn’t matter if you don’t think so, Emery has won four Europa Leagues, multiple trophies at PSG, took Villarreal to the Champions League semi final beating Bayern and Juve. Ten Hag has had success in Holland and a singular strong European campaign.
You can’t compare Ten Hag’s job at a very big club in a very tiny league to what Emery has achieved in Europe; he has four European titles. Ten Hag punched above his weight in one Champions League seasons, then had average European seasons, notably going out of the Europa League to Getafe 12 months after a Champions League semi final. You’re making a foolish comparison.Emery has ONLY been truly succesful at mid level clubs like Sevilla, Villareal and Aston Villa. When he stepped up to clubs of the size of Ajax like PSG or Arsenal he was poor. At PSG for example he got beaten to a league title by an AS Monaco with half his resources and led by a teenager in Mbappe, with inferior coavhes to him yet he should have been utterly dominant. Not forgetting losing a comfortable winning position to Barca in the UCL. At Arsenal he didnt survive long neither and won nothing.
In comparison at an Ajax size club ETH won a 3 peat league title. Plus punched above his weight in heavy weight clashes in the Europa League and UCL over 3 seasons vs opponents better equipped than him with better known coaches. With us he finished 3rd and has won a cup already inspite his current struggles
So sorry not sorry for not rating Emery as high as you do.
FourYou can’t compare Ten Hag’s job at a very big club in a very tiny league to what Emery has achieved in Europe; he has four European titles.
"You're making a foolish comparison" says a one trying to compare winning major trophies at small clubs with low expectations, to sustaining success at a traditional European giant were success is demanded and expected regardless of resources at hand.Ten Hag punched above his weight in one Champions League seasons, then had average European seasons, notably going out of the Europa League to Getafe 12 months after a Champions League semi final. You’re making a foolish comparison.
Do you think it’s more impressive to win the Dutch league than four Europa Leagues?Four
European titles ALL at small clubs like Sevilla and Villareal. When he went to size of club that is a traditional European Giant like Ajax is like Arsenal and PSG he was a straight up dissapointment. Especially at PSG with the resources at his disposal.
"You're making a foolish comparison" says a one trying to compare winning major trophies at small clubs with low expectations, to sustaining success at a traditional European giant were success is demanded and expected regardless of resources at hand.
Yes I do
not for me.
Was typing to make responses to these and then actually realised you didn’t answer anything I asked basically. All generic, passive aggressive delusional nonsensical responses.If you don't know what has changed there is no point in us having this discussion.
For the same reasons it happened to Mourinho a far better manager than him. Then Solksjaer who is below both. For the same reasons Moyes got swallowed after Gills and SAF left. For the same reasons LVG was sacked at the firs sign of progress just because City had hired Pep.
Now see this rubbish....
First, ETH never rejected recruitment responsibility above him. That's a straight up lie
Second, as regards signings.
Eriksen wasn't signed from Holland. Onana wasn't signed from Holland. Mount wasn't signed from Holland. Amrabat wasnt signed from Holland. Freaking Weghorst DIDN'T arrive from Holland. Casemiro and Rasmus Hoijlund have neither played in Holand nor were signed from there. Bayindir wasn't signed from Holland nor played there. Regullion, Dubravka, Butland, Evans, Sabitzer? Not from Holland. Never played there!
Strictly Martinez, Antony and Malacia arrived directly from there
Y'all need stop with that dimwitted narrative.....We expect it from the A.B.U press not our fans! Especially because a manager has chosen to go for players more than likelly to be used/understand better to the type of football he prefers to implement.
WRONG! I get to say it because he has had nothing to do with United not hiring a proffecient DOF and installing a world class recruitment structure above the manager in the 8 -9 seasons since SAF retired.
Right. I should be 'understanding" that our fans support the manager in good times only. Got you!......
Rather it's fans like your self who think Manchester United is "so special" that it can short cut success and ignore all that is required to attain it in this era by simply hiring and firing managers. Ad naseum......
Is this a serious question? Is Moyes still our manager? Is LVG? Is Mourinho? Is Ole? Why have we changed footballing direction 4 times since SAF retiref? Have we won the league in those seasons or come close? Have we reached the late stage of the UCL in that period? For you to claim with a straight face that the poor structure didn't cause disarray
What part of your OWN words are you unable to understand point to the poor structure the likes of me talk about? I mean seriously?
Bullshit. We just hired one. With the rubbish structure and work environment they have fostered falling him handsomely whilst jokers like you pretend he has suddenly became past it and ancient in his coaching methods. Less than 2 seasons into the job....
"He has ultimately failed". The second season isnt even half way through. It's crap logic like this that makes fans like myself not take people like you seriously!
You wish. Its rather because of some of us are not prone to the knee jerk disease and short termism a lot of our fan base is inflicted with. That makes them constantly incapable of seeing the big picture. The likes of me warned y'all this EXACTLY would happen the idiot Glazers decided to 'keep up with the Jones" and fire LVG to hire Mourinho just because City had finally recruited Pep. We have been saying the same things through each failed manager reign. You lot have NEVER listened. Yet when things fall apart as we predicted you instead want us to 'admit we are wrong". Yet y'all have NEVER been right once!
Typical missing the point. The likes of myself told you Mourinho finishing second with this structure was a nigh miracle. You sneered then. We told you the same with Ole. You sneered. Heck you are still sneering now. After pretending last season to be pleased with the progress ETH had at first. Its not US who keep changing narratives and doubling down just too look right. Its YOU! You are the ones who swing from praising a manager at the start to rubbishing him when inevitable trouble sets in.
You are utterly delusional that much is apparent. I literally answered every pathetically shallow question you cooked up. Its literally no surprise every single one of the answers flew right over your head! Even funnier is you having the gall of throwing "passive agressive" and 'tripe" around as an accusation. When your last post was an utter train wreck and full of passive aggresion. All because I don't subscribe to ANY of the reasons someone like you would want a Ten Hag out.Was typing to make responses to these and then actually realised you didn’t answer anything I asked basically. All generic, passive aggressive delusional nonsensical responses.
Youve been posting utter tripe in this thread and I shouldn’t be surprised your response to genuine questions was to respond with more tripe.
It should be mentioned you’re not a fair representative on those who make legitimate arguments for keeping ten hag.
You are utterly delusional that much is apparent. I literally answered every pathetically shallow question you cooked up. Its literally no surprise every single one of the answers flew right over your head! Even funnier is you having the gall of throwing "passive agressive" and 'tripe" around as an accusation. When your last post was an utter train wreck and full of passive aggresion. All because I don't subscribe to ANY of the reasons someone like you would want a Ten Hag out.
RightIf you don't know what has changed there is no point in us having this discussion.Ok so what has changed between this season and last?
My stance is thus:Emery has achieved far more in his career than Ten Hag it's not even close between the two of them.
Would love to know how you could argue Ten Hag is better
Right
Anyway, carry on with your terrible posting…
Is this a serious question? Is Moyes still our manager? Is LVG? Is Mourinho? Is Ole? Why have we changed footballing direction 4 times since SAF retiref? Have we won the league in those seasons or come close? Have we reached the late stage of the UCL in that period? For you to claim with a straight face that the poor structure didn't cause disarrayLudens the Red said:
Why is it that this horrific structure you keep talking about, didn’t seem to cause such disarray in six of the last nine seasons?
de Zerbi should come in straight away, he's got Brighton in a fairly safe space at the moment & they have a knack for getting the right managers in.
Potter in the interim. Ancelotti in the summer.
de Zerbi should come in straight away, he's got Brighton in a fairly safe space at the moment & they have a knack for getting the right managers in.
Ancelotti is one of the best man manager throughout his career. His CV, and method is proven yielding good result. He's like the blend of Ole positiveness marrying Mourinho's authority due to his successes.literally every manager we get has a 1 season (minor) bounce and then the players do this same quitting job again. I feel like people here are just throwing names out because the manager is the easiest option to move on.
They quit on LVG/Jose why wouldn't they just quit on Ancelotti?
They quit on Ole/ETH, why wouldn't they just quit on Potter?
I know it's the easy option, and ETH has things to answer for (and a sacking is looking more likely per week) but are you lot just happy with another decade of 1 season bounces?