Who replaces Ten Hag?

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Eberl just stated on TV the new Bayern manager won't be an Italian 100%.
I don't buy it. Sounds to me like an offhand answer to a silly gotcha question. "Would you vehemently disagree if I predicted that the next manager of Bayern will be an Italian?" "Yes."..

Besides, there is literally noone left that Bayern could go for :lol:
 

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That's just Glazer fed defeatist attitude because they relied on cronies who didn't know what they were doing in football in the first place. Competing for top 4, is that a trophy? In 2022 we were in a similarly dark place, signed a few players and we came third. This season we wasted a lot of money on players that didn't address the issues we had and we predictably fell behind.

Sign a couple of CBs, a DM and maybe another striker and we easily finish top 4. At our worst we beat a team thats seating in 4th home and away. We self sabotaged this season because an incompetent manager wasted resources on players we didn't need to invest in and thereby kept the same weaknesses we had then proceeded to persist with kamikaze tactics throughout the season. I will bet that if we sign the right players and replace the suicidal tactics with something more coherent we can easily earn 20 more points next season and make top 4 or just narrowly miss.
When I say a wasted season or a write off I mean top four. I don’t really care about top 4. Our ambition should be competing for the league or nothing really!
 

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Nobody knows who it's going to be. And that's kind of nice to be honest.
 

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They are really going to base the decision entirely on whether we win that one game or not aren't they. Whether you support firing him or not, that's just bad process.
The decision has been made but how would it do any good to announce before the final? Better to get the season done.
 

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1) High risks high returns - McKenna, Motta, Amorim
2) Proven experienced manager - Tuchel, Inzaghi
3) PL experience - Potter, De Zebri
 

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They are really going to base the decision entirely on whether we win that one game or not aren't they. Whether you support firing him or not, that's just bad process.
If they want to keep him, I think they’ll have to give him a fresh contract with at least 1 year extended. Will be easier after a final win

Otherwise maybe they’ll wait til the euros have just started so all the media are focused on that
 

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The decision has been made but how would it do any good to announce before the final? Better to get the season done.
If you're in the 'sack EtH' camp, wouldn't it make more sense do it before the final as the players will be know that they have to fight for their spot next season... The new manager bounce basically.

We've seen that EtH can't win big matches, might as well give it to McLaren for one game imo.

Do people think a better manager would get more out of Antony? Am interested to know that.
 

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They are really going to base the decision entirely on whether we win that one game or not aren't they. Whether you support firing him or not, that's just bad process.
I understand what you mean but also given the opposition, it is not just an ordinary match, beating that good of a Man City at Wembley to get your second trophy in two years and thus Europa League football. It’s not to be sniffed at.
 

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If you're in the 'sack EtH' camp, wouldn't it make more sense do it before the final as the players will be know that they have to fight for their spot next season... The new manager bounce basically.

We've seen that EtH can't win big matches, might as well give it to McLaren for one game imo.

Do people think a better manager would get more out of Antony? Am interested to know that.
It's a helluva risk to take in a final. While I get the new manager bounce thing, there's also a good chance that a new manager would field a side that was disjointed and short on instructions. I can't think of a single instance in which a manager has ever been sacked just before a final.
 

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It's a helluva risk to take in a final. While I get the new manager bounce thing, there's also a good chance that a new manager would field a side that was disjointed and short on instructions. I can't think of a single instance in which a manager has ever been sacked just before a final.
Didn't Mourinho get sacked by Spurs just before the League Cup final or something?
 

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It's a helluva risk to take in a final. While I get the new manager bounce thing, there's also a good chance that a new manager would field a side that was disjointed and short on instructions. I can't think of a single instance in which a manager has ever been sacked just before a final.
Mourinho was sacked at Spurs just before the league cup final. Though I think we are going about it the right way. If we are going to make a change, make it swiftly after the final. I see no benefit in McClaren taking charge.
 

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Mourinho was sacked at Spurs just before the league cup final. Though I think we are going about it the right way. If we are going to make a change, make it swiftly after the final. I see no benefit in McClaren taking charge.
Ha, well I've learned something new today! Agree - to me this seems the most sensible way forward.
 

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Mourinho was sacked at Spurs just before the league cup final. Though I think we are going about it the right way. If we are going to make a change, make it swiftly after the final. I see no benefit in McClaren taking charge.
From a moral standpoint and to keep it clean, yes, do it swiftly after the final.

But to give us a small chance of winning the final, I would say before.
 

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I think De Zerbi was out of the question for Bayern as he wanted his whole backroom team. Seems unlikely we'd do that if we're in cost cutting mode.
 

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They are really going to base the decision entirely on whether we win that one game or not aren't they. Whether you support firing him or not, that's just bad process.
They already know. They just do not want to talk about it until after the FA Cup.
 

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I understand what you mean but also given the opposition, it is not just an ordinary match, beating that good of a Man City at Wembley to get your second trophy in two years and thus Europa League football. It’s not to be sniffed at.
I get it and it won't just be the owners thinking that. You just know fans and pundits will all be rallying to give him another season if we win, "this is something to build on", and the knives will be out if he loses. I just think it's a bit silly that a lot of people are going to end up disregarding an entire season of evidence to just focus on whether he wins the FA Cup or not.
 

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Big talk of McKenna getting head hunted by Brighton, McKenna actually interested in talking to them.
i think we should definitely stick with ETH and see how McKenna pans out, if he makes a success at Brighton (if he leaves Ipswich) then make a move for him, we really should be looking very closely at McKenna but I would like to see how he performs in the PL before we go for him even if it costs a few bob more as in the grand scheme of things it’s peanuts and you never know ETH might have a much better season, well it can’t get worse than this one, can it?
 

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If the club keeps quiet after the FA cup final, I'm afraid we are really waiting for Southgate.
 

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I think De Zerbi was out of the question for Bayern as he wanted his whole backroom team. Seems unlikely we'd do that if we're in cost cutting mode.
Do we know what is behind him leaving Brighton HA?
 

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I don't know actually, perhaps @The Boy may know more?
I've said it in the De Zerbi thread...

It's not so much that he wanted to be in charge of transfers, he was unhappy with the clubs transfer strategy.

Our strategy has been to buy young players we can develop and sell on for a profit and older players with lots of experience who can help guide the young ones.

De Zerbi wanted us to buy more players in their prime but that would have involved bigger fees and wages, the club caved into this a bit when we picked up Dahoud in the summer, but after he failed and left after about 6 months, our chairman said no to this in the Jan window and we only bought in Barco. De Zerbi was quite open that he didn't think the club was matching his ambition, which is why no Brighton fan is surprised that he's moved on.
 

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Thanks, I thought as much, but didn't want to assume!
It's good timing by the club, it seems that they couldn't get a guarantee that he would stay for next season, so rather than have an uncertain summer that could possibly be disrupted by him leaving later in the summer to go elsewhere, they both agreed it would be best to do now, so both can plan clearly for next season.
 

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It's good timing by the club, it seems that they couldn't get a guarantee that he would stay for next season, so rather than have an uncertain summer that could possibly be disrupted by him leaving later in the summer to go elsewhere, they both agreed it would be best to do now, so both can plan clearly for next season.
Agreed, the line in the sand was clear and the club aren't moving, so you may as well both move on. Lots of other teams would plod along hoping they'd change each others minds.
 

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i find this topic very confusing.
There seem to be 2 camps here, one stating we need a young coach, the next Pep, Jose. This was arguably the move last year with E10H. Whether it worked or not everyone have their opinions and the majority is probably stating it has failed catastrophically.

Then the other camp is arguing (perhaps) are asking for a 'proven' coach (PL, title winning known tactician, known to steady the ship etc). More of an Ancellotti approach maybe.

Both sides probably have merits but my two cents:
  1. The next Pep or Jose will not be a known force / superstar currently. They would be showing promise. This is where McKenna probably falls. People stating UTD isnt the place for a manager to prove themselves but if you look at some of the most successful managers in recent years they all made a very big jump at some stage without much track record. Jose went from Porto to Inter, Pep went from a nobody to managing Barca's first team, Zidane went from a nobody to managing Real, Arteta went from an assistant manager to leading Arsenal. There are also numerous examples of promising managers that failed (special two easily comes to mind).
  2. Known managerial quantities might not be too eager to manage this team. At this moment UTD is a train wreck. Our team is poor, we have no european cups next year (conference?) and the spending will be very limited (compared to previous years most likely). We have deadwood (again) and some of those contracts are ridiculous. Our front 3 the last 5 games have an average age of 21. Still, we have some weird personalities in this team who might benefit from a known managerial quantity. Have a feeling Zidane would headbutt/thundercnut some of our players back to the stone age given how they are acting in some games.
  3. All great managers have tonnes of failures, and some shitty managers have no failures in their resume.
  4. I'm assuming the directors will have to make a decision; do we want promise and someone to break the mould, or do we want a steady Joe who can give you a steady 6-7 until we get there in a few years. There's no absolute truth. Other than..
  5. Southgate is a joke :lol:
Exciting times to be a UTD fan
 

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i find this topic very confusing.
There seem to be 2 camps here, one stating we need a young coach, the next Pep, Jose. This was arguably the move last year with E10H.
It wasn't. EtH is one of the older and more experienced managers in the PL.
 

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i find this topic very confusing.
There seem to be 2 camps here, one stating we need a young coach, the next Pep, Jose. This was arguably the move last year with E10H. Whether it worked or not everyone have their opinions and the majority is probably stating it has failed catastrophically.

Then the other camp is arguing (perhaps) are asking for a 'proven' coach (PL, title winning known tactician, known to steady the ship etc). More of an Ancellotti approach maybe.

Both sides probably have merits but my two cents:
  1. The next Pep or Jose will not be a known force / superstar currently. They would be showing promise. This is where McKenna probably falls. People stating UTD isnt the place for a manager to prove themselves but if you look at some of the most successful managers in recent years they all made a very big jump at some stage without much track record. Jose went from Porto to Inter, Pep went from a nobody to managing Barca's first team, Zidane went from a nobody to managing Real, Arteta went from an assistant manager to leading Arsenal. There are also numerous examples of promising managers that failed (special two easily comes to mind).
  2. Known managerial quantities might not be too eager to manage this team. At this moment UTD is a train wreck. Our team is poor, we have no european cups next year (conference?) and the spending will be very limited (compared to previous years most likely). We have deadwood (again) and some of those contracts are ridiculous. Our front 3 the last 5 games have an average age of 21. Still, we have some weird personalities in this team who might benefit from a known managerial quantity. Have a feeling Zidane would headbutt/thundercnut some of our players back to the stone age given how they are acting in some games.
  3. All great managers have tonnes of failures, and some shitty managers have no failures in their resume.
  4. I'm assuming the directors will have to make a decision; do we want promise and someone to break the mold, or do we want a steady Joe who can give you a steady 6-7 until we get there in a few years. There's no absolute truth. Other than..
  5. Southgate is a joke :lol:
Exciting times to be a UTD fan
ten Hag wasn't young though. He was 52. Pep is a year younger than him.

A young hire would be McKenna (38), Amorim (39), Iraola (41) or Alonso (42). They've all been managing for less than 5 years.
 

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It wasn't. EtH is one of the older and more experienced managers in the PL.
I read that and wanted to adjust after clicking submit - perhaps should have stated young or less known to the masses kind of manager who hasnt yet had a major breakthrough.
 

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If we do move on I hope we do it with some class. It was embarrassing how we sacked Van Gaal.

And, we need to avoid appointing a bad fit like Mourinho was.
 
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