Did Real Madrid drop their standards hiring Zidane ? Or Barcelona with Pep?
90%?
Bruce, Hughes, Leighton, McClair, Pallister, Cantona, Yorke, Stam, Blanc, Evra, Irwin, Cole, Sheringham, RVP, Berbatov, Owen, Hargreaves, Ferdinand, Tevez, Carrick, Parker, Webb, Keane, Ince.
Should I carry on another silly game here?
| Viv Anderson | Arsenal | £250,000 | July 1987 |
| Brian McClair | Celtic | £850,000 | July 1987 |
| Steve Bruce | Norwich City | £825,000 | December 1987 |
| Jim Leighton | Aberdeen | £500,000 | May 1988 |
| Lee Sharpe | Torquay United | £200,000 | June 1988 |
| Mark Hughes | Barcelona | £1,800,000 | June 1988 |
| Mal Donaghy | Luton Town | £650,000 | October 1988 |
| Ralph Milne | Dundee United | £175,000 | November 1988 |
| Guiliano Maiorana | Histon FC | £30,000 | November 1988 |
| Mark Bosnich | Sydney United | Free | June 1989 |
| Mike Phelan | Norwich City | £750,000 | July 1989 |
| Neil Webb | Nottingham Forest | £1,500,000 | July 1989 |
| Gary Pallister | Middlesbrough | £2,300,000 | August 1989 |
| Paul Ince | West Ham United | £1,000,000 | September 1989 |
| Danny Wallace | Southampton | £1,300,000 | September 1989 |
| Les Sealey | Luton Town | Free | June 1990 |
| Neil Whitworth | Wigan Athletic | £45,000 | June 1990 |
| Denis Irwin | Oldham Athletic | £625,000 | June 1990 |
| Andrei Kanchelskis | Shakhtar Donetsk | £650,000 | March 1991 |
| Peter Schmeichel | Brondby IF | £500,000 | August 1991 |
| Paul Parker | Queens Park Rangers | £2,000,000 | August 1991 |
| Patrick McGibbon | Portadown | £380,000 | August 1992 |
| Dion Dublin | Cambridge United | £1,000,000 | August 1992 |
| Eric Cantona | Leeds United | £1,200,000 | November 1992 |
| Les Sealey | Aston Villa | Free | January 1993 |
| Roy Keane | Nottingham Forest | £3,750,000 | July 1993 |
| Graeme Tomlinson | Bradford City | £100,000 | June 1994 |
| David May | Blackburn Rovers | £1,400,000 | July 1994 |
| Andrew Cole | Newcastle United | £6,000,000 | January 1995 |
| Nick Culkin | York City | £250,000 | September 1995 |
| Tony Coton | Manchester City | £500,000 | January 1996 |
| William Prunier | Bordeaux | Loan | December 1996 |
| Raimond van der Gouw | Vitesse | £500,000 | July 1996 |
| Ronny Johnsen | Besiktas | £1,200,000 | July 1996 |
| Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | Molde FK | £1,500,000 | July 1996 |
| Karel Poborsky | Slavia Prague | £3,500,000 | July 1996 |
| Jordi Cruyff | Barcelona | £1,500,000 | August 1996 |
| Teddy Sheringham | Tottenham Hotspur | £3,500,000 | June 1997 |
| Erik Nevland | Viking | £1,500,000 | July 1997 |
| Henning Berg | Blackburn Rovers | £5,000,000 | August 1997 |
| Jonathan Greening | York City | £750,000 | March 1998 |
| Jaap Stam | PSV Eindhoven | £10,750,000 | July 1998 |
| Jesper Blomqvist | Parma | £4,400,000 | July 1998 |
| Dwight Yorke | Aston Villa | £12,600,000 | August 1998 |
| Mark Bosnich | Aston Villa | Free | July 1999 |
| Quinton Fortune | Atletico Madrid | £1,500,000 | August 1999 |
| Massimo Taibi | Venezia | £4,900,000 | August 1999 |
| Mikael Silvestre | Internazionale | £4,000,000 | September 1999 |
| Fabien Barthez | AS Monaco | £7,800,000 | May 2000 |
| Andy Goram | Motherwell | Loan | March 2001 |
| Ruud van Nistelrooy | PSV Eindhoven | £19,000,000 | July 2001 |
| Juan Sebastián Verón | Lazio | £28,100,000 | July 2001 |
| Roy Carroll | Wigan Athletic | £2,500,000 | July 2001 |
| Laurent Blanc | Internazionale | Free | August 2001 |
| Mads Timm | Odense | Free | August 2002 |
| Diego Forlan | Independiente | £7,500,000 | January 2002 |
| Luke Steele | Peterborough United | £500,000 | June 2002 |
| Rio Ferdinand | Leeds United | £30,000,000 | July 2002 |
| Ricardo | Valladolid | £1,500,000 | August 2002 |
| Souleymane Mamam | La Semeuse Lomé | Unknown | June 2002 |
| David Bellion | Sunderland | £2,000,000 | July 2003 |
| Eric Djemba-Djemba | Nantes | £3,500,000 | July 2003 |
| Tim Howard | New Jersey Metrostars | £1,200,000 | July 2003 |
| Cristiano Ronaldo | Sporting Club | £12,240,000 | August 2003 |
| Kleberson | Atletico PR | £5,930,000 | August 2003 |
| Giuseppe Rossi | Parma | Free | July 2004 |
| Liam Miller | Celtic | Free | January 2004 |
| Louis Saha | Fulham | £12,825,000 | January 2004 |
| Alan Smith | Leeds United | £7,050,000 | May 2004 |
| Gabriel Heinze | Paris Saint-Germain | £6,900,000 | June 2004 |
| Gerard Pique | Barcelona | £5,000,000 | May 2004 |
| Fangzou Dong | Dalian Shide | £3,500,000 | January 2004 |
| Wayne Rooney | Everton | £25,600,000 | August 2004 |
| Ji-Sung Park | PSV Eindhoven | £4,000,000 | July 2005 |
| Edwin van der Sar | Fulham | £2,000,000 | July 2005 |
| Ben Foster | Stoke City | £1,000,000 | July 2005 |
| Nemanja Vidic | Spartak Moscow | £7,200,000 | January 2006 |
| Patrice Evra | AS Monaco | £5,500,000 | January 2006 |
| Michael Carrick | Tottenham Hotspur | £18,600,000 | July 2006 |
| Henrik Larsson | Helsingborgs | Loan | January 2007 |
| Owen Hargreaves | Bayern Munich | £17,000,000 | July 2007 |
| Tomasz Kuszczak | West Bromwich Albion | £4,000,000 | July 2007 |
| Nani | Sporting Club | £17,300,000 | July 2007 |
| Anderson | FC Porto | £20,400,000 | July 2007 |
| Carlos Tévez | Corinthians | Loan | August 2007 |
| Federico Macheda | Lazio | Free | September 2007 |
| Manucho | Petro Atlético | Unknown | August 2008 |
| Rodrigo Possebon | Internacional | Unknown | August 2008 |
| Rafael da Silva | Fluminense | £2,600,000 | August 2008 |
| Fabio da Silva | Fluminense | £2,600,000 | August 2008 |
| Dimitar Berbatov | Tottenham Hotspur | £30,750,000 | September 2008 |
| Zoran Tosic | Partizan FK | £7,000,000 | January 2009 |
| Ritchie De Laet | Stoke City | Unknown | January 2009 |
| Antonio Valencia | Wigan Athletic | £16,000,000 | June 2009 |
| Michael Owen | Newcastle United | Free | July 2009 |
| Gabriel Obertan | Bordeaux | £3,000,000 | July 2009 |
| Mame Biram Diouf | Molde FK | £2,000,000 | July 2009 |
| Chris Smalling | Fulham | £10,000,000 | January 2010 |
| Javier Hernández | Deportivo Guadalajara | £6,000,000 | July 2010 |
| Bebe | Guimaraes | £7,400,000 | August 2010 |
| Anders Lindegaard | Aalesunds FK | £3,500,000 | November 2010 |
| Phil Jones | Blackburn Rovers | £17,000,000 | June 2011 |
| Ashley Young | Aston Villa | £16,000,000 | June 2011 |
| David de Gea | Atletico Madrid | £18,000,000 | June 2011 |
| Shinji Kagawa | Borussia Dortmund | £12,000,000 | June 2012 |
| Nick Powell | Crewe Alexandra | £4,000,000 | June 2012 |
| Robin van Persie | Arsenal | £24,000,000 | August 2012 |
| Alexander Buttner | Vitesse | £3,900,000 | August 2012 |
| Ángelo Henríquez | Universidad de Chile | £4,000,000 | August 2012 |
| Wilfried Zaha | Crystal Palace | £15,000,000 | January 2013 |
My bad. Yes in terms of Jose is more experienced 28 plus, but that only works when you need 1/2 players to complete a team not when you build one.
I think you are missing the point. Moyes was lambasted for using the incorrect phrases and was never forgiven for it. Fact is that he promised us much more than what he is delivering thats not fiction its fact and it is promises he made to us not the other way around.
Think Ole's problem is that he contradicts himself, saying last season that players would be gone after the Everton debacle, but most of the players gone were not involved, and some of the ones who were are still here. Saying if players go they would be replaced. That has not happened, so either it is bad planning or Ed made promises, as he does, that he could not or never intended to keep. How fit he was going to get them, then complains how lethargic they are. I'm afraid Ole is just one of those people who will shoot themselves in the foot when they speak, he doesn't mean to but it happens.
Comparing him to Zidane and Pep. Well done.Didn't remember it like this. Zaha was bloody expensive. Persie pretty high too for being the last year of his contract compared to a very young Rooney. Although inflation is a big factor too. Very much money on Bebe too.
That’s quite frankly an embarrassing list to use to prove any point.
That's 13 Premier League titles, five FA cups, two UEFA Champions League titles and a knighthood.
We did buy some dross though that just disappeared into the ether.
Of course you can’t because we as a club bought loads of non first team players on the cheap based on scouting reports. All clubs do, if just 1 in 15 becomes a first teamer then it’s worth it.
Embarrassing for you to use to show Fergie bought mainly loads of potential.
As I say, standard practice. That’s why you have a scouting network, all clubs buy shit loads of dross based on scouting reports.
I remember the Angelo Henriquez name, but who is Souleymane Mamam he passed me by completely.
Fergie bought him I’m told, scouted him himself any everything. Ha ha
That went well.
Not sure what your problem with this list is?
That should be exactly happens and I will be good with that. If this half of the season continues like the first and we end up in 7th in May should be the end for Ole. But to go into next season while Pochettino is free would be a feck up of the highest order.
If either Pep or Klopp were producing performances that we're seeing from Ole then they would of been out the door at the end of last season. If it was Everton then maybe he could be given more time. Of course we have no devine right to anything but being one of the worlds top clubs raises expectations to another level and contrary to what people believe it is possible to show signs that we are continually improving even under a rebuild.
It’s not SAF’s transfer history though is it? It’s United’s whilst SAF was here.
It is pointless as some people have no idea about the United of a few years back. We have been breaking the bank for a long time to get what we want. Robbo before SAF, Pallister the record fee for a defender, Roy Keane then the highest transfer fee, Rooney then the highest for someone under 20, Rio the most expensive British player and so on. So we paid when needed to. The sundries SAF bought were just sundries. He got rid of them and even players like WC winner Barthez when they failed to produce the goods.
In 18 months, there will be a new manager (unless Ole pulls off a miracle) and we'll be asking that the new manager be given 18 months to prove himself.
It has now become a seriously awkward situation. What if Ole is allowed to bring even more players in, but then nothing improves or even gets worse? Then a new manager comes in, with the right ideas, but really does not rate the lads that Ole has brought in? I want to cry.
But that was not 2020?
That's Sir Alex to you, son.
Ok sure, if you want to look at it like that.Ronaldo felt like an anticlimax after we were linked with Ronaldinho all summer
You seem to not even understand what I said. I did not compare Ole, Zidane and Pep. I only compared their appointments.
Yeah we better get used to when we hire average managers and then believe they are comparable to Zidane and Pep.
I don't know tbh. Zidane wasn't sacked when Real was like 5th, 6th this season if my memory serves me right.
Oh I understood. Hiring an average manager who happens to be an ex player results in a lowering of your standards. Hiring a top class manager (or potential top manager) who happens to be an ex player doesn't.
Could you tell me what exactly Pep or Zidane had done, won, achieved or showed as a manager prior to their appointment to justify them being a top class manager or potential top class manager ?
I don’t think that’s what he’s saying, more the fact that Ole has been a manager for what? almost a decade and proving to be not all that great.
You've changed the direction of the debate tbh. Whether Ole is an average manager or not prior to the Utd job is another subject and we didn't discuss that here.
This is after their appointments.
Zidane and Pep actually did things with their squad. Big fecking surprise, Pep had a core consisting of a good chunk of the Spanish EC and WC winners topped off with Messi, Zizou’s situation wasn’t exactly bleak either, with the likes of Kroos, Modric, Benzema, Carvajal, Marcelo, Ronaldo, etc. Who the feck do we have that compares?
You can call it poor form, but it's not a lie is it? There's nothing else to defend him on
Nothing. But that's what they turned out to be. It's the difference between your main number 9 being a young unproven RVP or young unproven Troy Deenie. Both may be unknown quantities to many, but standards definitely fall in one of the two scenarios.
