Mike Oxard
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There’s a trend here. Any manager who doesn’t succeed in double quick time with us is ‘poor’.Nope, he was poor too.
Maybe the problem is elsewhere in the equation.
There’s a trend here. Any manager who doesn’t succeed in double quick time with us is ‘poor’.Nope, he was poor too.
Winning the Scottish league was as unremarkable then as it is now. I know that SAF did it with Aberdeen, but it was still a farmers league. Winning the Cup Winners Cup puts Aberdeen up there with Mechelen, Dynamo Tiblisi and MTK Hungaria. SAF turned into the greatest ever, but he didn’t arrive as that. Maybe the same will happen with Solskjaer.
*Checks their careers after they left us*There’s a trend here. Any manager who doesn’t succeed in double quick time with us is ‘poor’.
Maybe the problem is elsewhere in the equation.
So what would make you happy? A manager that’s been there and done it all like Mourinho or a manager who’s performed well at a ‘lesser’ club like, say, SAF or Moyes?*Checks their careers after they left us*
Dont reckon mate.
Why do you say "us" and then have City as your supported team?There’s a trend here. Any manager who doesn’t succeed in double quick time with us is ‘poor’.
Maybe the problem is elsewhere in the equation.
So what would make you happy? A manager that’s been there and done it all like Mourinho or a manager who’s performed well at a ‘lesser’ club like, say, SAF or Moyes?
He is a WUM.Why do you say "us" and then have City as your supported team?
Because the mods seem to think that I’m a City fan because I think we should give Ole more time. God forbid that any Utd fan should get behind the manager of course.Why do you say "us" and then have City as your supported team?
Yeah it's coming acrossHe is a WUM.
You've also boiled SAF's pre United club as someone who's just "performed well" at a lesser club. He did a bit more than that mate.Because the mods seem to think that I’m a City fan because I think we should give Ole more time. God forbid that any Utd fan should get behind the manager of course.
There's no single route for a manager. Could be a high level manager at the peak of their career, like Pep or Tuchel. Or it could be a manager at a lower level club who has taken their club far beyond where you would expect them.So what would make you happy? A manager that’s been there and done it all like Mourinho or a manager who’s performed well at a ‘lesser’ club like, say, SAF or Moyes?
He’s had a bad start to this season, made to feel worse by the euphoria and the misplaced expectation when Ronaldo was signed, but that’s about it. It’s a long season, with plenty of games left. If he doesn’t get into the top 4, I’ll hold my hands up, but I think that he’ll achieve that.You've also boiled SAF's pre United club as someone who's just "performed well" at a lesser club. He did a bit more than that mate.
Regardless of how our managers pre-Ole worked out one thing you have to understand is no top club in their right minds would hire him in the first place. The fact that we gave him 3 years and 400m tells you that he's got the time and backing that only other managers can dream of. And he's still fecked up royally.
ThisWhy do you say "us" and then have City as your supported team?
If he just gets top 4 and does nothing else, it's still a big failure and sack worthy. You can't say "give him time, he might get top 4" - if that's the case I still want him sacked now. We are not a club who should be looking for top 4 after 3 years, 400m and introducing Sancho Varane and Ronaldo in one window.He’s had a bad start to this season, made to feel worse by the euphoria and the misplaced expectation when Ronaldo was signed, but that’s about it. It’s a long season, with plenty of games left. If he doesn’t get into the top 4, I’ll hold my hands up, but I think that he’ll achieve that.
Yes, the problem is with the morons who thought giving the reigns to someone who got Cardiff relegated was a bright plan.There’s a trend here. Any manager who doesn’t succeed in double quick time with us is ‘poor’.
Maybe the problem is elsewhere in the equation.
And in that dream of yours, have we also ended hunger and invented time travel?He staying until the end of the season, if it unravels then replace with Poch or Ten Haag.
Question here is if Ole finishes third and somehow wins the champions league does he still need to go?
We've tried getting behind the manager for three years. To say people just need to 'get behind him' after a string of completely inept performances is a joke. 15 goals conceded in 6 games. Even top 4 is a failure with this squad. You're wumming.Because the mods seem to think that I’m a City fan because I think we should give Ole more time. God forbid that any Utd fan should get behind the manager of course.
It’s more about the upheaval and ‘back to square one’ issue of a change.We've tried getting behind the manager for three years. To say people just need to 'get behind him' after a string of completely inept performances is a joke. 15 goals conceded in 6 games. Even top 4 is a failure with this squad. You're wumming.
Yeah but that's like standing on a square engulfed in fire and saying you don't want to go back to the square that only had some sparks on it.It’s more about the upheaval and ‘back to square one’ issue of a change.
When Solksjaer had us in square one three years ago we were playing better football than for the past few months. So wouldnt you say that we are in square -1 right now?It’s more about the upheaval and ‘back to square one’ issue of a change.
Yeah I think he's had a fair crack at it. The supporters have been behind him and he's been well supported in the market. I think he's done good but it's time to move him on now. Manchester United and their supporters are more patient than most other clubs to be fair, but I think he's taking them as far as he can and the wheels have come off this season and I don't really see a way back. It would be a shame to see this side wasted.We've tried getting behind the manager for three years. To say people just need to 'get behind him' after a string of completely inept performances is a joke. 15 goals conceded in 6 games. Even top 4 is a failure with this squad. You're wumming.
Not but with Sancho, Ronaldo, Rashford, Bruno, Maguire and Varane playing it’s not impossible.And in that dream of yours, have we also ended hunger and invented time travel?
Your concept on that is most likely prehistoric. LVG, Mourinho and Ole got enough time. You should just accept that that got it wrong wrt them and others got it right. It doesn't take much to swallow your pride. Pretending to live in some meaningless alternate reality where these managers were building greatness is merely a fool's errand and pure delusion.There’s a trend here. Any manager who doesn’t succeed in double quick time with us is ‘poor’.
Maybe the problem is elsewhere in the equation.
Chelsea didn't go back to square one when they hired Tuchel. When you hire a quality manager, you don't have to if you've got a good set of players.It’s more about the upheaval and ‘back to square one’ issue of a change.
Chelsea didn't go back to square one when they hired Tuchel. When you hire a quality manager, you don't have to if you've got a good set of players.
Thing is, upheaval to be better is always preferable than settling for mediocrity.
Yes, changing the manager every two years has really paid dividends hasn’t it?Your concept on that is most likely prehistoric. LVG, Mourinho and Ole got enough time. You should just accept that that got it wrong wrt them and others got it right. It doesn't take much to swallow your pride. Pretending to live in some meaningless alternate reality where these managers were building greatness is merely a fool's errand and pure delusion.
Oles been here 3 and were getting steadily worse. So do we keep him for another 3 years and go on a wing and a prayer he changes 100% and becomes good? You really got no argument.Yes, changing the manager every two years has really paid dividends hasn’t it?
No doubt Moyes would have won the treble if we’d stuck with him.Yes, changing the manager every two years has really paid dividends hasn’t it?
Maybe he would.No doubt Moyes would have won the treble if we’d stuck with him.
That winning judgment on show for all to see.Maybe he would.
He seems to be doing ok on infinitely lesser resources than he’d have had with us, had he been here for more than half a season.That winning judgment on show for all to see.
What you're ignoring is that the managerial skillset required to stabilise a team and get them to compete for European places is different from that required at the highest level. When you are managing and competing with others at the pinnacle of the sport, fine details become exponentially more important.He seems to be doing ok on infinitely lesser resources than he’d have had with us, had he been here for more than half a season.
He’s back to his level, running plucky mid table teams occasionally touching top four for a few weeks now and again.He seems to be doing ok on infinitely lesser resources than he’d have had with us, had he been here for more than half a season.
There are only a handful of managers that can do that on limited resources.He’s back to his level, running plucky mid table teams occasionally touching top four for a few weeks now and again.
But United doesn't operate on limited ressources. So what are you trying to pull here? Moyes was out of his depth, wasn't able to deal with big egos he wasn't used to, wasn't used to be under pressure of winning every game in style. He is still a fine manager but he wasn't ready for a top club yet. Is he today? Probably not. But there are only a few at the top.There are only a handful of managers that can do that on limited resources.
WUM and I don't need any of that tonight thanksWhy so many knee-jerk reactions? It's only November, we can still win the title, CL and the FA cup!
Playing front foot, positive, attacking football!Why so many knee-jerk reactions? It's only November, we can still win the title, CL and the FA cup!