Just not really a fan of Italian football, dont think its really an issue for youWhat does that have to do with you calling it "a load of shit"
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
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Got ya, I thought you were actually saying that the Italian league is shit, as in, the players are shit, the teams are shit, rather than just expressing your personal views on the League as a whole, if you get what I mean.
Nah there are obviously some outstanding footballers in the league. Just dont really like the way Italian teams play, find it boring. Id much rather the hussle and bussle of the premier league or La Liga, which is technically better, in my opinion.
Agree with that pal, plus, the league has been marketed terribly since the late 90's... back in the James Richardson day's it really was something to be interested in.
Personally I wish more English players would move to Germany, Italy and Spain, it would keep us all much more interested and imo, it would help the leagues gain popularity.
Personally I wish more English players would move to Germany, Italy and Spain, it would keep us all much more interested and imo, it would help the leagues gain popularity.
For sure, when it was Coppa Italia on Channel 4 on a Saturday morning I was actually quite into that for a while. The standard was much better back then and they were dominating Europe.
Well thats always been the issue, you can count on one hand the amount of English players playing abroad in the top leagues.
Would it even improve the national team if more of our players played abroad?
Serie A is a great league and while it doesn't have the quality it had in 90s and the first half of 2000s it's probably more entertaining now than it was back then with five or six very good teams competing.
Premier League has dropped its quality significantly as well to be fair. Chelsea are the only team still in CL as Arsenal are gone after yesterday's result, and they won't have an easy ride against Napoli.
Premier League has dropped its quality significantly as well to be fair. Chelsea are the only team still in CL as Arsenal are gone after yesterday's result, and they won't have an easy ride against Napoli.
I appolgise for laughing but Seriously. Do you people watch this guy outside the champions league often? Do you know how many times he has scored in big Serie A games? Same as he did in the Dutch league? Or the fact he scored in the Classico when he was in Spain?
I haven't even mentioned some of the goals his scored for Sweden in truly tough encounters for that team.
He can be accused of not doing enough in the knock out rounds in the top club competition Europe. But he can't ever be accused of not showing up in big games often. Especially when the last 2 times he has met English opposition in the knock out round in the Champions league he has come out trumps. That's just being too harsh on the fella
Fantastic player.
Significantly? I posted this in another thread, but Man City failed to qualify, despite getting 10 points in the group stages. We didn't qualify because we joked around with qualifying, not because we weren't good enough.
And on Ibrahimovic, talented player, has always flattered to deceive in Europe. One good game doesn't change that.
Either way, we didn't qualify and we know that our team isn't as strong as in previous seasons.
I actually think we're stronger than last season when we made the final.
It's stupid to try and deny how shit the English teams have been this season.
No one is denying it, but to use that to prove the Premier League is in decline is retarded. Who is ahead of the Premier League?
I'd say it's in decline on the whole.
How so?
Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool are all significantly worse than they were a few years ago. The rest of the league is getting weaker all the time too, with the likes of Villa and Everton going backwards and having nothing to spend. I honestly can't believe how poor the bottom end of the league is at the moment.
I'd say the only constant are yourselves, everybody else has gone backwards. City have improved artificially but that didn't stop them crashing out in the group stages. Easy to say they got 10 points and were unlucky, they never once looked at home in the CL and were lucky they got a dead rubber in the last game against a Bayern reserve side to make their points tally look respectable. In reality they were already out before the final matchday, which is shocking really.
Unless Chelsea get there this season England will have had 1 out of 12 semi-finalists in the last 3 years, I think that is pretty demonstrative of decline.
I'd say the only constant are yourselves, everybody else has gone backwards. City have improved artificially but that didn't stop them crashing out in the group stages. Easy to say they got 10 points and were unlucky, they never once looked at home in the CL and were lucky they got a dead rubber in the last game against a Bayern reserve side to make their points tally look respectable. In reality they were already out before the final matchday, which is shocking really.
Unless Chelsea get there this season England will have had 1 out of 12 semi-finalists in the last 3 years, I think that is pretty demonstrative of decline.
I watch him whenever I can, maybe a dozen or so live plus what I see on the box and I have to say the guy is massively overrated. When you look at the fees paid for the fella I wonder what I'm missing.
I appolgise for laughing but Seriously. Do you people watch this guy outside the champions league often? Do you know how many times he has scored in big Serie A games? Same as he did in the Dutch league? Or the fact he scored in the Classico when he was in Spain?
I haven't even mentioned some of the goals his scored for Sweden in truly tough encounters for that team.
He can be accused of not doing enough in the knock out rounds in the top club competition Europe. But he can't ever be accused of not showing up in big games often. Especially when the last 2 times he has met English opposition in the knock out round in the Champions league he has come out trumps. That's just being too harsh on the fella
He's barely overrated because there's so many people that still think he's crap.
It's funny that a joker like Torres can become regarded as world class because he put 2 good seasons together yet Zlatan has been carrying teams to titles for close to a decade and he's 'overrated'.
It's funny that a joker like Torres can become regarded as world class because he put 2 good seasons together yet Zlatan has been carrying teams to titles for close to a decade and he's 'overrated'.
Torres was better than good for 2 seasons. I've yet to see Ibrahimovic play anyware near that standard.
We all know the record Ibrahimovic has about him being in title winning teams, that he carried them is in question.
It's not in question at all. The seasons he won the titles with Inter he was the absolute definition of a one man attack.
Torres was inconsistent and not world class in Spain, had a couple of seasons bullying defenders over here and has reverted to being utter cack now his physical attributes are waining. Ibra is a class above.
Torres was inconsistent and not world class in Spain, had a couple of seasons bullying defenders over here and has reverted to being utter cack now his physical attributes are waining. Ibra is a class above.
Whatever...I'm no fan of either Ibrahimovic or Torrez. Your obviously a fan of Ibrahimovic while I'm not. Put it this way, would I want him in our team? No!
BTW the fact he carried teams to the title is in question.
For someone of Ibrahimovic's size he's amazing with the ball, adding to his brilliance in the box he is one of the world's best.
Ibra deserves so much more credit than he gets, massive guy and great footballer. Not fecked his team mates wife either.
You must not have seen him in 07/08, or just caught him on one his rare off days that year.
Yep. That Inter side and this current Milan side are completely and utterly dependant on him, it's a falsity to even question it.
Inter were a better side (in the short term) once he left, but only because they replaced his output with Eto'o, Sneijder, Milito and Motta. Plus strengthening at the back with one of the best centre halves of this generation.
I'm amazed so many rate him.
What constitutes "rating" a player. So Ibrahimovic isn't rated by people...
It's sort of like saying you don't rate Drogba, Rooney, Van Persie and so on and so forth. He's not the very very best in the world ala Messi/Ronaldo etc but he's right up there with the best of the rest. A world class tallent and player. To say you don't rate him doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
You don't have to particularly like him, but to not "rate" him? A player of his calibre, with his achievments?
I guess he's "lazy" "arrogant" "selfish" or something along these lines.
It's sort of like saying you don't rate Drogba, Rooney, Van Persie and so on and so forth. He's not the very very best in the world ala Messi/Ronaldo etc but he's right up there with the best of the rest. A world class tallent and player. To say you don't rate him doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
You don't have to particularly like him, but to not "rate" him? A player of his calibre, with his achievments?
I guess he's "lazy" "arrogant" "selfish" or something along these lines.
Just reading his autobiography and had no idea that he had such a bad childhood. I've newfound respect for him now.
Players with his kind of skill make the game worth watching though. Yes it's a shame we've not seen it as often on the European stage but shit happens, people said the same about Cantona. Maybe people in Italy thought of Cantona what people in England think of Ibrahimovic. Wouldn't be all that surprising with Cantona not making much of an impact on the international stage or in Europe and at the time the domestic game was still improving - very similar to Ibrahimovic's case. 22 goals in 26 games this year, you really can't argue with that record. 57 goals in 92 league starts at Inter again is excellent. And that's without even talking about his creative game which everyone saw against Arsenal.
I simply love the player. I was glad to see him proceed to rape the Gunners just as the English commentators where telling us how he flatters to deceive.
It's a really fun read. I reckon he should start a charity for people who lost their bicycles.
True that. Also loved how he described his first bicycle as "tough little bastard, a cartoon guy with spiky hair."It's a really fun read. I reckon he should start a charity for people who lost their bicycles.
I'm on page 20 but still is a great read.
Is it out in English yet!?? I want this book, love him or hate him he's certainly an interesting character. I always liked his interviews.
In a weakened league where Milan and Juventus were recently punished for Calciopoli?
Has there been anything about his autobiography being translated into English?
I can PM you the English version(link) if you want?
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