No way. He was sly in the same way Ruud was. The striker he was up against was in for a hard time and he got away with a bit. You clearly see Suarez as better than he actually is otherwise you wouldn't compare them. The guy ticks all the boxes, racism - check, stamping - check, spitting - check, kicking out - check, diving - check, playacting - check, and all done at a ridiculously consistent frequency.
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Keane was a thug but but he wasn't really sly about it or a cheater. We're not even defending him, anyone can clearly see it how it is.
Suarez on anothern hand is really everything that is wrong with football - extremely sly, a thug, a massive cheater and a racist and cretin on top of it. You get players who are this or that - for example Busquets is a cheat and Michael Brown is a thug, but can you name another player that ticks all the boxes like Suarez does?
Keane's actions don't really cancel out all the things that are wrong with this idiot.
Suarez on anothern hand is really everything that is wrong with football - extremely sly, a thug, a massive cheater and a racist and cretin on top of it. You get players who are this or that - for example Busquets is a cheat and Michael Brown is a thug, but can you name another player that ticks all the boxes like Suarez does?
Keane's actions don't really cancel out all the things that are wrong with this idiot.
Yeah I guess the biggest problem is that people watching football nowadays are used to players not being saints, by any standards, but you still expect a bit of coherence from a player. If you're going to have a thug attitude, well then you should be ready to take in what comes your way because of that. If you're going to be a diver, don't go round trying to be Johnny Hard Man. The thing that irks people with Suarez, most of all, I feel (having spoken to some people who aren't that into English football, don't have any bias towards any of the PL clubs), is that he tries to dish it out but can't take it in. Having a guy who deliberately goes out and kicks, bites, pulls hair and goes into reckless challenge, but also spends half of his time diving all over the place, is annoying.
There's no bloody agenda against him, it's just the player he is. He's very talented as well, but trying to push forward the line "there's an agenda against him, all we ever talk about is his antics and not his talent" is plain stupid. The reason why people talk about the controversy surrounding him so much is because it reaches unique levels in the world of football. There's no one to blame but himself.
There's no bloody agenda against him, it's just the player he is. He's very talented as well, but trying to push forward the line "there's an agenda against him, all we ever talk about is his antics and not his talent" is plain stupid. The reason why people talk about the controversy surrounding him so much is because it reaches unique levels in the world of football. There's no one to blame but himself.
Who the feck is turning a blind eye on Keane ? So when we criticize Suarez for those acts we have to mention Keane all the time ? I'd like to talk about the players whose the thread is named after and no one else please ...
Yes, a valid post about Suarez should go like 'what a cnutish behaviour, Roy Keane broke Alf Inge Haaland's leg in 2001 though'.
Scholes being brought up to defend Suarez 
Thing is you can't even defend one player by pointing out the faults of another. It's like saying a thief can't be blamed because someone else stole something as well. In this case it's more like saying a notorious thief cannot be faulted because someone else drank a beer in a public place once.
It was Southgate
I loved Keanes dark side.
Suarez is a cnut but apart from the racist thing with Evra I actually don't hate him for it.
I think at times like his handball at the World Cup, people went so stupidly over the top about it.
May as well close the thread. Suarez is just the same as the dirty player every team has. Plus, some of our players have been dirty in the past. Everyone is equal. Suarez isn't a horrible little cnut. Nothing to see here. Move along.
You see, I almost agree with that - except for the biting and Evra incidents of course - but the rest of it, yeah. He's just got a lot of different obnoxious traits, all of which we've all seen in other players, all wrapped up into one handy unloveable package.
The trouble is that he gets away with it. A few more red cards, a couple more retrospective bans and he wouldn't piss me off as much. As it is, it seems all the more pathetic when people try to claim he's persecuted in some way. When he starts getting the punishment's he's due, and then gets a few extra suspensions thrown on top, I might see what they're getting at.
Meanwhile he's either extraordinarily snide or he's extraordinarily lucky. Either way he's a role model for why retrospective video evidence would be a good thing.
That's what Suarez would say.
On a different note: Why am I being redirected to a Keane/Scholes/Cantona thread every time I click the "Suarez" thread? Suarez is a cnut of the highest order and the fact that other players are/were cnuts as well doesn't excuse him at all, so it's a pointless discussion. There has been plenty players in the past who've done parts of what Suarez has, but I honestly can't come up with a single one who's done all Suarez has (particularly not at the age of only 26). That takes a special kind of cnut. He's creative though when it comes to being a nasty bastard though, I'll give him that.
To be fair that was an absolutely horrific challenge on Keane.
What Keane used to do is totally pointless here, everyone knows what he done was cnutish and completely out of order. Liverpool fans keep trying to make excuses for Suarez, then complain about a witch-hunt against him when he continues to stamp on players on punch/bite/pull hair/dive/racism. It's beyond delusional.
It's okay to punch/bite/stamp on players because Roy Keane put in some awful tackles which we all accepted were horrible actions over a decade ago. Great logic.
I think this is the main problem with this guy, he's like a little Materazzi coupled with some of the worst sides of Vinnie Jones, Dennis Wise, Roy Keane, Pepe, etc.
The guy might be a top fellow outside of football from what I know, but when he enters a pitch he seems to lose all scruples - and turns into some kinda borderline autistic personality who's lost completely touch with the norms of society/football. And you don't even have to mention the controversial racism issue. All his antics, from punching defenders in the face to cynical diving, covers this nicely. As long as he's not improving this side of himself it will always overshadow his abilities as a footballer, and make him extremely hard to like for anyone who's not a Liverpool fan.
How have we ended up comparing Drogba, Fellani, Carvalho etc to Suarez?
I havent actually met many United fans who dont think Keane was/is a total arsehole, but obviously as a talented player you see them as a playing legend, in the same way I might dislike Terry but think he is a club legend for what he has done for us.
I find Suarez worse than Keane, and not for stupid reasons like being less honest about it, but just because Suarez does it far more frequently,crassly, and seems to revel and bask in the glory of what he's done after the event.
I havent actually met many United fans who dont think Keane was/is a total arsehole, but obviously as a talented player you see them as a playing legend, in the same way I might dislike Terry but think he is a club legend for what he has done for us.
I find Suarez worse than Keane, and not for stupid reasons like being less honest about it, but just because Suarez does it far more frequently,crassly, and seems to revel and bask in the glory of what he's done after the event.
I always had a slight admiration for Carvahlo's sneakiness to be honest. He was more of a sly tug of the shirt on the ref's blindside than punch you in the face kind of guy.
Edit: Suarez is a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, and generally unlikeable bloke. The difference with Drogba, Carvahlo etc. and him is that with the others you could give them the benefit of the doubt and not judge their on pitch discrepancies toward their overall character as a player/person.
Edit: Suarez is a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, and generally unlikeable bloke. The difference with Drogba, Carvahlo etc. and him is that with the others you could give them the benefit of the doubt and not judge their on pitch discrepancies toward their overall character as a player/person.
You know him as a bloke then and what he is like off the pitch?
I dont really get this whole "he is a great lad off the pitch". I couldnt really care what he is like. He is a footballer and we are judging him on what he does on the pitch.
Proud Lyon has a chip on his shoulder with players related to Real Madrid. Coentrao is a serial offender?
I don't mind defenders being hard cnuts. Italy's are famous for it, and so were the Germans (before the Hummels era). It's all fair and square. Vidic can be as hard as the game allow, plenty of times. Have you ever watched Chiellini? he's more 'cnutish' than Pepe, as a defender.
He is an on the pitch Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, the evidence is undeniable. Off the pitch I can only judge from his reaction to his own actions as a player.....which are less than stellar, I'm sure we can all agree on that.
Anywho, you should probably discount the person bit. I really meant just as a footballer.
Anywho, you should probably discount the person bit. I really meant just as a footballer.
I don't expect many to know what he is like away from the field of play etc and if that's not relevant in people's opinion fine, however, the previous post seemed to suggest a questionable character in general terms, he could be a perfectly normal average family man.
Fair enough.
I don't think anyone is comparable to Suarez, he is without doubt the most detestable player that has ever played in English football.
I agree, I can't think of a player close to being as dislikable as Suarez. The day he leaves our league will be a day to celebrate.
Couldn't agree more I cant stand the cnut. Top player, I wont deny him that but his on field antics overshadow that for me.
Iv disliked a few players over the years (Terry and Cole come to mind) but Suarez is in a different league.
We wish
I have another one on the other shoulder just to balance things up Iso.
On a serious note, people have chips on their shoulders with players that are related to Barcelona i.e. Alves, Busquets et al, so forget it already. It happens, it is a football forum. As for Coentrao, you have totally forgotten that he got away with at least two yellow card offences alone against us in the first leg and could have easily been sent off.Carvalho wasn't one to commit fouls like stamping, biting, hair pulling, etc. He was the king of shirt pulling and other little niggling shit but they are not even close to being in the same category.
I don't know the guy who works in the office next to me outside of the office. I know that he's a total cnut when he's here, though.
You also aren't a different person in different places. You are a sum of the total.
I have another one on the other shoulder just to balance things up Iso.
fair play, PL. No hard feeling. I've never thought Coentrao as one of 'football cnuts'. Now if you mentioned Arbeloa, I'd nod in approval.
So he got away with a few fouls. That puts him among footballs cnuts and alongside Luis fecking Suarez?
Suarez is definitely another rank of bellend altogether, I've never seen anyone like him. I remember thinking once that football would probably be full of people like him in 20 years, but now I just don't see how that would be possible. He's surely the only person capable of being how he is without actually trying to be like that.
I wonder what Rawk will be sprouting when Suarez doesn't win player of the year
Of course there are no hard feelings Iso...
I've never thought Coentrao as one of 'football cnuts'. Now if you mentioned Arbeloa, I'd nod in approval.
Mr Ferguson paid everyone not to vote on Suarez.
Apparently involved in a dressing room bust up, couldn't get out of Collins' pocket in the tunnel and was all the way in the West Ham dressing room before they discovered him and let him out.
Utter, utter chancer of a player. Jammiest cnut in world football that is being called 'world class' right now.
Utter, utter chancer of a player. Jammiest cnut in world football that is being called 'world class' right now.
He's just done what Berbatov was accused of doing, scoring goals in games already won rather than winning games. The difference being that with Berbatov it was untrue. It's laughable that he's so highly rated. A few nutmegs in the box before running the ball out for a goal kick over and over really mesmerises some.
feck he sooks deluxe as well. Hogging the ball attempting ridiculous tricks and then moaning when they don't come off.
He works about 100x harder than Berbatov. He had a bad game today, I think he's allowed a few. Overall he's had a very good season in a mediocre squad.
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